Falling into place, is Iraq next?

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by macaskil
Perhaps you can explain to a fellow socialist why you're such a fan of Saddam Hussein, a man who has killed more Muslims than anyone else alive.

The US doesn't like him, therefore he must be A-ok. At least that's the impression that I get.

[Sceptor107]

we shuold bomb irak



kill saddddammmm

[faded glory]

Originally posted by uh Clem
Sorry, guys, but it's Tuesday, which means no attack:

Bush has no plans to attack Iraq: Schroeder

Check back tomorrow.

Na....not that bush would tell shroeder anyway?


I hear Bush is still "Considering" the matter on how to go about it (lots of domestic pressure to take out Saddam. Senators and public opinion).

[Comrade Tribune]

Originally posted by macaskil
Perhaps you can explain to a fellow socialist why you're such a fan of Saddam Hussein, a man who has killed more Muslims than anyone else alive.

First of all, I am not a 'fan' of Saddam Hussein.

With this out of the way, my position is that the US don´t have a business to meddle in anybody´s internal affairs, or starting a war against them without casus belli. This would include Iran, Iraq, Syria, Lybia, North Korea, China, did I forget anyone?

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Comrade Tribune
With this out of the way, my position is that the US don´t have a business to meddle in anybody´s internal affairs, or starting a war against them without casus belli.

Europe itself already discredited this position themselves with the Balkan interventions. Point the blame at them for opening the door that we are just now walking through.

[Comrade Tribune]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Europe itself already discredited this position themselves with the Balkan interventions. Point the blame at them for opening the door that we are just now walking through.

I start to like you a little bit better for that remark. You are the least moronic of the US cheerleaders in this forum.

And yes, this is completely right. We should have helped the Serbs against the CIA thugs arming the Kosovo Mafia.

[Bereta_Eder]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Europe itself already discredited this position themselves with the Balkan interventions. Point the blame at them for opening the door that we are just now walking through.

So you finally understand why you did it...
why yo orchastrated the whole thing to the point where only bombing would rectify it and then you bombed.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by paiktis22
why yo orchastrated the whole thing to the point where only bombing would rectify it and then you bombed.

Let's not explore your rapant paranoia about how the CIA is the direct cause of all the world's problems again. It gave me a headache last time.

[Bereta_Eder]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Let's not explore your rapant paranoia about how the CIA is the direct cause of all the world's problems again. It gave me a headache last time.

Not CIA. US foreign policy. And not responsible for all the worlds problems. Just responsible for the part where it had an interest to accomplish and had to force it.
and that's damn big part of the world

[lightblue]

Originally posted by Sceptor107
we shuold bomb irak



kill saddddammmm

Always nice to see intelligent posts

[Saint Marcus]

Europe itself already discredited this position themselves with the Balkan interventions. Point the blame at them for opening the door that we are just now walking through.

I may not agree with the US foreign policies and I do believe they should stay out of other countries with their armed forces.

And yes, Europe has done this too.

But just because I disaprove of US policies doesn't mean I approve off all European policies. I for one was against the Kosovo War, at least in the way it was fought.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
Your logic is as flawless as your grammar.

Then lets correct the grammar and clarify the logic. In 1993, ex-President George Bush paid a visit to Kuwait, an independent and sovereign state. At that time Iraq was pretending to go along with weapons inspections, and no military action was being undertaken against Iraq. Iraqi agents attempted to assasinate Mr. Bush while he was in Kuwait, but the plot was foiled.

This establishes the following
A. The US has a casus belli against Iraq, 9-11 and fears of biological and chemical weapons aside.
B. Iraq is in fact a sponsor of international terrorism, in particular international terrorism directed against the United States. At a time when the world community is clamping down on state sponsorship of international terrorism, it is appropriate to take action with respect to the Iraqi regime.
C. Given Iraq's past sponsorship of international terrorism, coupled with its hatred for the US, it is not unreasonable to expect that at some point they will ally with Al-qaeeda, despite Iraq's secularist agenda. Stranger alliances have taken place in the past. This supposition is only reinforced by reports from Czech intelligence of contact between Iraqi intelligence and Al-Qaeeda operatives prior to 9-11.

LOTM

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Comrade Tribune


And our friendly Turkish allies wipe them out the old-fashioned way.

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Our friendly Turkish allies forcibly suppress Kurdish culture. Not nice, but not genocide. The PKK responds with a vicious terrorist campaign against our friendly Turkish allies, including against Kurds who are not pro-PKK. Turkey responds with a military campaign against the PKK. Turkey plays rough, jailing without charges, using torture against prisoners. Not nice, but not genocide. Not what Saddam has done to the kurds (for that matter not what your friend Slobo did to the Kosovars in analogous circumstances)

But blurring distinctions is what you totalitarian guys like to do. Its part of "the big lie". Its how you can justify anything.

LOTM

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by macaskil
Comrade Tribune

Perhaps you can explain to a fellow socialist why you're such a fan of Saddam Hussein, a man who has killed more Muslims than anyone else alive.

why shouldnt a communist like Saddam? After all the roots of Baathism are in european totalitarian politics, which owe so much to the ideas and practices articulated by Lenin. you are forgetting that Communism is not so much socialism as totalitarianism, as pointed by Hannah Arendt.

LOTM
Social Democratic Party of Apolyton

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Saint Marcus


The French, Britons and Germans used to gas eachother as well.
And the Americans nuked two Japanese cities.

Why is that less bad than what Iraq does?

er, perhaps because there was no international law regarding such things at the time? But i forget, international law is to be appealed too only when it can be used against the United States.

LOTM