Falling into place, is Iraq next?

[faded glory]

Looks like there are reports of small Logisic's (supplys)buildup at Incirlick and Kuwait bases. Lieberman and most of the senate made clear that Saddam must go. And US public opinion is about 75% favorable on taking out Saddam.


Richard Cheney is visiting the region next month. Rumour has it, a demand will be made on Baghdad. And a time limit given to comply.....He will also be making sure the allies fall in line. (Turkey, kuwait, Jordan, Eygpt, S.Arabia, Emirates. All in favor already)


What do you think?

[Bereta_Eder]

Turkey is not in favor. Turkish PM Ecevit has been saying that over and over to the US.
France is not in favor.
EU is not in Favot as a whole.

[Bereta_Eder]

Oh! and kuwait and S.Arabia are scared ****less.

Kuwait of what will happen: on one hand it needs the US to protect it from Iraq, on the other hand it knows that it will go through a lot of suffering should there be a confrontaion.

and S.Arabia is scared because of his own citizens who will be pissed if they see their "government" helping the US to kill its muslim brothers in Iraq.

talking about a jam huh?

[faded glory]

Turkey changed its mind a few weeks ago. I dont know what kind of back door deal we made. But they changed there position. I guess we promised not to make a free Kurdistan.

[Bereta_Eder]

Not very likely faded.

Ecevit has written letters to anyone but Santa Claus in order for the bombings not to happen just a few days ago. Including to Saddam.

[Kyle]

Originally posted by paiktis22
Turkey is not in favor. Turkish PM Ecevit has been saying that over and over to the US.
France is not in favor.
EU is not in Favot as a whole.

Turkey has real geopolitcal concerns, hopefully we can address them.


France simply wants it's money and oil contracts from Saddam.


The rest of the EU, we've already been over that.

[Bereta_Eder]

sure, go on.

[DinoDoc]

paiktis22: If Turkey is against it, why isn't Greece chomping at the bit for it to happen?

[Bereta_Eder]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
paiktis22: If Turkey is against it, why isn't Greece chomping at the bit for it to happen?

[faded glory]

Turkish PM warns Iraq to allow UN arms inspectors


ANKARA, Feb 4 (Reuters) - Turkish Prime Minister Bulent Ecevit has urged Iraqi President Saddam Hussein to allow U.N arms inspectors into Iraq or face unspecified "severe consequences."

Ecevit, who met U.S. President George W. Bush in January, made his plea in a letter to the Iraqi leader distributed to journalists on Monday.

"Today Iraq is being faced with yet another threat. We are engaged in intense efforts to avoid this threat," the English language text of the letter said.

"However, the success of our efforts require, first and foremost, some concrete steps to be taken urgently by Iraq and in particular removal of the obstacles before the U.N. inspections on armaments," it said.

"Turkey also may be adversely affected by the severe consequences to be encountered in case Iraq does not permit the U.N. inspectors," it said.

U.N. inspectors sent to Iraq after the Gulf War to monitor the destruction of Iraqi weapons of mass destruction left in December 1998 and have not been allowed to return.

Ecevit aides said the letter had been sent to the Turkish ambassador in Baghdad, but it was not clear if he has yet sent it to the Iraqi authorities.

The letter gave no details of the threat against Iraq but Bush has accused Iraq of being part of an "axis of evil" threatening world security. Some in the Bush administration would like to see the U.S. war on terrorism extended to Iraq after Afghanistan.

Turkey, a close U.S. NATO ally, is worried that any attack on its southeastern neighbour Iraq could spark turmoil and reignite Kurdish separatism on its own territory.

Turkey is naturally concerned. But they always tag along.


Oh oh............Desparation and harsh rhetoric

Iraq says it would defeat attack from "arrogant" US

By Hassan Hafidh


BAGHDAD, Feb 10 (Reuters) - Iraqi Vice President Taha Yassin Ramadan said on Sunday that Baghdad would defeat any U.S. military action against his country.

"America has revealed its hatred against the Arabs and Muslims and this arrogant (Bush) understands concession as weakness," Ramadan told reporters after opening an exhibition of Syrian products in Baghdad.

Ramadan rebuffed comments by U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell this week that U.S. President George W. Bush was considering military action against Iraq in its war on terrorism.

"America has been saying that over the last 12 years and those who defend their sovereignty and country will defeat the aggressors such as the arrogant Americans."

The Bush administration is determined to force Iraqi President Saddam Hussein to let back in U.N. weapons inspectors who have been kept out since 1998 and it accuses him of seeking to develop nuclear, biological and chemical weapons.

The United Nations announced earlier this week that Iraq had offered talks with U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan which could lead to allowing the inspectors to return. Washington has received the Iraqi offer with scepticism.

"We are ready for useful and positive dialogue with the (U.N.) secretary-general and the world body," Ramadan said.

Bush said last month Iraq, Iran and North Korea formed an "axis of evil" and the United States would act to prevent them developing nuclear, chemical and biological weapons.

Various options apart from the military one are available to the administration, which had an official policy of "regime change" in Baghdad even before the September 11 attacks on the United States put countries that it calls sponsors of terrorism more firmly at the top of Bush's potential target list.

In a reply to Turkish Prime Minister Bulent Ecevit's request that Iraq allow U.N. inspectors into the country, Saddam said in a letter this week that Iraq had no weapons of mass destruction and urged Ankara to oppose U.S. threats against Iraq.

Ramadan said Iraq's Foreign Minister Naji Sabri would travel to Ankara this week to attend a joint meeting of the Islamic Conference Organisation and the European Union.

"It is a routine visit. We have to explain to officials all the dimensions of the problem and the hidden agenda of the enemy (against Iraq)," Ramadan said.

[Comrade Tribune]

There is absolutely no justification for an attack on Iraq. It would be a clearly and obviously naked aggression. For the time being, it might stand, like Hitler´s attack on Poland was successful, in the short term. But in the long run, it will serve to make it clear to even the most stupid that they have to do something about the US threat to every nation´s independence.

[Zoid]

It´s only logical that the US is stepping up it´s bombing of Iraq, (note that they have not really stopped bombing since Desert Storm...) Bushs war against terrorism is the perfect cover for the US to consolidate their choke hold of the world

[Bereta_Eder]

Comrade Tribune
Kamrat X
I agree with you as most europeans and most of the world.
It is a new era. (actually it is the same old same old but with a new face)

[lightblue]

Originally posted by paiktis22
Comrade Tribune
Kamrat X
I agree with you as most europeans and most of the world.
It is a new era.

Not me. I think Saddam has to go, and he's been there for too long already. Whether the Americans want to take it to him militarily, or by supporting the opposition like Afghanistan, I don't really care.

Now I think it is our moral duty to do this, and the Americans want to do it for their own selfinterest (basically to keep approval ratings up when the economy goes down the pan), but if the end result is the same...

Now there are other regimes that should go (Saudi for one) that probably won't go yet, but you have to start somewhere. Also if there's a fairly friendly government in Iraq we won't depend on the Saudi's power in OPEC as much.

[Bereta_Eder]

Bah!
The americans promp up authoritative governments when it suits them and bring down authoritative governments when it no longer is the case.

So we are not "starting" to do anything.