Europe steps up criticism of US

[Comrade Tribune]

Originally posted by Goingonit
And Mr. Tribune, please name the last time Sharon has invaded a country (i.e. caused war). You can say many things about this guy, but calling him the biggest warmonger in the Middle East is not one of them.

I assume killing Palestinians and destroying their property in territories illegally occupied doesn´t count? Well, keeping to your definitions the #1 warmonger in the middle east is the US.

[Imran Siddiqui]

American business benefits greatly, but the American people do not.

What benefits American business benefits the American people.

And I think Dalgetti hit it right on the head. Governments are elected to push what they think is best for its people. To governments, YES, 280 million people are more important than 6 billion others. The ones outside of the US don't vote in US elections, they don't put the leaders into power.

[Comrade Tribune]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
YES, 280 million people are more important than 6 billion others. The ones outside of the US don't vote in US elections, they don't put the leaders into power.

It was a very similar conviction that drove Hitler. Had all the Germans thought like you, he could even have kept up with democracy.

[Drake Tungsten]

The idiotic analogies involving America and Nazi Germany are making my head hurt. Can we please keep the hyperbole to a minimum? They might not have "The Boy Who Cried Wolf" in Austria, but you would do well to read it...

[JohnT]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
The idiotic analogies involving America and Nazi Germany are making my head hurt. Can we please keep the hyperbole to a minimum? They might not have "The Boy Who Cried Wolf" in Austria, but you would do well to read it...

Iirc, that is an Aesop fable so it is likely that they've heard of it in Austria.

[kolpo]

Europe has learned after 2 world wars that cooperation between countries is needed, since then has there be no longer war between the super powers of western europe.

But some still haven't learned the lessons of the World Wars.

Unilaterism can be very dangerous, the unilateristic attitude of the countries in Versail caused WWII. If they would have even listened a little to German instead of sending it all punishments of hell, would there have been no WWII.

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by kolpo
Europe has learned after 2 world wars that cooperation between countries is needed, since then has there be no longer war between the super powers of western europe.

But some still haven't learned the lessons of the World Wars.

Unilaterism can be very dangerous, the unilateristic attitude of the countries in Versail caused WWII. If they would have even listened a little to German instead of sending it all punishments of hell, would there have been no WWII.

Umm

the countries were multilateral when it came to punishing germany



the US was the one the unilaterally didn't punish Germany

Jon Miller

[Jules]

Originally posted by Comrade Tribune
Americans today are just as masochistic as the Germans in the 1930s.

Unfortunately you may be right about that, if the rhetoric from FoxNews is any indication. Particularly Ann Coulter's remarks the other night on Hannity&Colmes about how John Walker Lindh should be put to death as a warning to liberals. She seems to think they're all traitors and proud of it. Given that FoxNews is the #1 cable news network in the country, I don't like the ideas they're putting into people's heads.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

American business benefits greatly, but the American people do not.

What benefits American business benefits the American people.

There is not a one to one correlation. Sometimes it benefits us, ofttimes not. On pollution, labor rights, etc., what benefits business hurts Americans, and vice versa. When we go to war to defend the right of corporations to make excessive profits, it's average Americans who catch the bullets, not business.

[Comrade Tribune]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
The idiotic analogies involving America and Nazi Germany are making my head hurt.

Yes, some people believe thinking hurts. And the truth hurts even more.

[Comrade Tribune]

Originally posted by Jules
Particularly Ann Coulter's remarks the other night on Hannity&Colmes about how John Walker Lindh should be put to death as a warning to liberals. She seems to think they're all traitors and proud of it.

This also indicates her confusing Taliban and Liberals? Are there many like her on the loose?

[Drake Tungsten]

Originally posted by Comrade Tribune
Yes, some people believe thinking hurts. And the truth hurts even more.

You honestly think that the behavior of the United States is in any way comparable to that of Nazi Germany? I sincerely hope that you are joking. It's perfectly alright to disagree with American policies, but to equate them with the policies of Nazi Germany is absurd and idiotic. If you think that this is the "truth", then you have some serious problems.

[Comrade Tribune]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
You honestly think that the behavior of the United States is in any way comparable to that of Nazi Germany? I sincerely hope that you are joking. It's perfectly alright to disagree with American policies, but to equate them with the policies of Nazi Germany is absurd and idiotic. If you think that this is the "truth", then you have some serious problems.

Is the fact that your avatar is the German Panzer unit somehow related to your political opinions?

The comparison should be obvious to anybody watching things without prejudice: Attempt at world takeover = attempt at world takeover. Going to war without casus belli = going to war without casus belli. Ignoring the Geneva Convention = ignoring the Geneva Convention. Jews then = 'Towel Heads' now.

It is harder to see the differences between USA and Nazi Germany than the similarities. There are some differences, however: Hitler´s policies were not quite as popular. He couldn´t afford to keep the semblance of a democracy; the US obviously can. Goebbels would be proud of your TV and newspapers.

[Drake Tungsten]

Originally posted by Comrade Tribune
The comparison should be obvious to anybody watching things without prejudice: Attempt at world takeover = attempt at world takeover. Going to war without casus belli = going to war without casus belli. Ignoring the Geneva Convention = ignoring the Geneva Convention. Jews then = 'Towel Heads' now.

I can't believe you are serious about this. Do you know anything about Nazi Germany? How anyone could compare America and Nazi Germany and come to the conclusion that they are similar is beyond me, but you seem to have achieved the impossible. Your arguments, however, are flimsy at best.

1. Attempt at world takeover : How did you come to the conclusion that America is bent on world conquest? Do you have some sort of proof for this statement, or is it just a paranoid theory on your part? I myself have problems with American foreign policy, but to claim that the US is out for world conquest is laughable. America's policy is light years away from the naked aggression of Nazi Germany.

2. Going to war without a casus belli : What conflict are you referring to? If you mean the war in Afghanistan, I think that 9/11 was a very real casus belli. If you are referring to Iraq, I still think the US has a legitimate reason to attack as Iraq is not honoring the agreement that ended the Gulf War. You may not like the reasons for America's actions, but there are reasons (unlike most of Nazi Germany's invasions).

3. Ignoring the Geneva Convention : While technically true, this comparison is terrible. How is the US treatment of prisoners at Gitmo in any way similar to the treatment of prisoners by the Nazis? There is a huge difference between the American questioning of Al-Qaeda operatives and the Nazi's performing medical experiments on Polish and Russian troops. The fact that America does not want to treat Al Qaeda operatives as POW's does not make America similar to the Nazi's by any stretch of the imagination.

4. Jews=Arabs : Are you serious? The US government has gone out of its way to stress that this is not a war against Islam or Arabs. How is this comparable to the Nazi's "Final Solution"? Not only is this argument false, it is offensive to anyone who knows about the Holocaust and the millions killed by the Nazi's.

If you really want to bash America by comparing them to some other power in history, at least have the intelligence to pick an appropriate example. I'll even help you out; if America is similar to anyone, it is the British Empire. To compare America to the Nazis is just stupid and reflects badly upon you and your intelligence.

[Goingonit]

Originally posted by Comrade Tribune


I assume killing Palestinians and destroying their property in territories illegally occupied doesn´t count? Well, keeping to your definitions the #1 warmonger in the middle east is the US.

1) Even someone so distant from the US should know that it isn't in the Middle East. Nor have they started wars; just intervened (rightly or wrongly).

2) The above is a loaded question. It assumes something completely different from the question. It's like if I said, "did your store's sales increase or decrease as a result of manipulative advertising?" As it stands, Israel conquered these territories in war. Are Alsace and Lorraine illegaly occupied by France? The killing Palestinians is justified because said Palestinians were trying to kill them. The property destruction is a longer argument, which I'm sure Natan and Siro will indulge in repeating.