Should I Join a Fraternity?

[devilmunchkin]

baylor is not beautiful...
it's full of idiotic people who fight over petty things like whether homosexuals should be allowed on campus and whether the jocks should get payed rather than worrying about their education. It's a place where people come so they CAN discriminate in the US and not have to worry about the Bill of rights. don't EVEN get me started.
it's a place where you can pay for those things but also automatically pay to become part of the "in" crowd of an already elitest univeristy...
you pay to find your group of friends
your boyfriends
to get into keg parties...

and dave isn't looking to join the half way decent Xian ones either.....

[Kaak]

Baylor is a beautiful place. And I hate to brake it to you, but you didn't have to come her. There are 5 or 6 other major universities within 2 hours of Waco.

Should homosexuals be allowed on campus? I don't really think so. People get kicked out for all kinds of things that go against christian morality, and that is one of them. And sodomy still gets prosocuted in TEXAS WOOOOOT!

you pay to find your group of friends

Hmmm...That is kind of an ignorant statement without much basis in truth. You fit into a much neater stereotype than i do, so don't try to play that way...

to get into keg parties...

Ummm...Dues don't go to parties, or any other event with alchohol for that matter. ignorance is one thing, but turning away from the truth is much worse!

Being the libralist that you are, you shouldn't be so quick to catogorize or over-generalize. Your statements are bad cliches, and, in all truth, exactly what i would expect you to say...

[Asher]

Originally posted by Kaak
Should homosexuals be allowed on campus? I don't really think so.

What a beautiful place indeed, full with bigotry and hatred to the bone.

[Kaak]

Asher: not hatred or bigotry. Baylor tries to create a positive, traditional baptist enviroment for its students without the negative influences of the world. Students get expelled for being caught drinking more than a couple times, for getting pregnant outside of wedlock, for living with people of the opposite sex, and a variety of other things. UT is an hour from here, and a much more appropriate enviroment for Homosexuals. It isn't about hatred or bigotry, it is about trying to maintain a certain kind of enviroment. That is one of the reasons parents pay so much money to send their children here!

[Asher]

Ah, so in other words it coddles students in an unrealistic environment where everyone shares the same blind religious faith, where no one challenges your viewpoints on anything, and you're told to go be a Good Little Christian?

Sounds like hell.

What a waste of a college.

Why the hell are you going there, DM?

And for future reference, when you refuse admittance of a minority to an institution that falls under 'bigotry'. I don't really care for the religious bull**** behind it.

[Kaak]

that is a difference in definition. I consider homosexuality a choice, which kind of negates HMs status as a minority. You and DM should be great friends, you both make very broad assumptions about things you obviously don't know a lot about.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Kaak
that is a difference in definition. I consider homosexuality a choice, which kind of negates HMs status as a minority. You and DM should be great friends, you both make very broad assumptions about things you obviously don't know a lot about.

Coming from the guy who just called homosexuality a choice?

You seriously think people choose it?

Look: You know nothing about what you're talking about. Baylor is a prime example of how ass backwards some parts of America are.

It sickens me that some people can be like that these days. Maybe it's for the better all you wingnuts are in your own little private colleges, waiting for the real world to hit you in the ass once you're out (Baylor is completely private, right? I should hope no government funding occurs there...)

[monolith94]

Thankfully, for every Baylor that exists there are two or more Oberlins... Get a better education at the liberal run schools too!

[Skanky Burns]

Originally posted by Kaak
Baylor tries to create a positive, traditional baptist enviroment for its students without the negative influences of the world. Students get expelled for being caught drinking more than a couple times, for getting pregnant outside of wedlock, for living with people of the opposite sex, and a variety of other things.

Sounds like a hell-hole to me

[devilmunchkin]

*is laughing*
baylor is a beautiful place for those, apparently like yourself, that feed into the clone like facade. It's not a real place.
ALso, i didn't have to come here, but i am. Basically you're saying that people who are different shouldn't come to baylor and disrupt a system that is wrong. I'm not challenging it outright but i'm not about to have you say baylor is this great shiny place. DO i like it better than other places? yes. but it isn't a true projection of life...it's a place where Christians can gather together and develop their hypocrisies (well..some of them..) and yet still attack others for "shortcoming" that arn't shortcomings to begin with. Who are any of you to say that frat keg parties are less of a sin than homosexuality? Who are any of you to say that jocks should get paid and what their value is in comparision to the average academic student? you arn't. you're own bible says that you should judge not lest you be judged yourself. It says love the sinner but not the sin. It's full of paradoxes..no wonder you XIan runs around like chickens with your heads cut off.
ACtually, i'm not definable and i don't hang out with what you so deem my own kind. This athiest has been known to regularly go to BIble study. THis athiest doesn't hang out with goths usually. I'm a watcher. I watch what goes on around campus. I'm not blind but you can be if you so choose.
Kicking a person out for this or that can obviously be part of your religion...that doesn't make it right.
but this thread isn't about religion..it's about the greek life style. OK..fine...would you ever date someone not in a sorority......let alone someone "like me" in that particular "stereotype" as you snottily phrase it. I've never stereotyped myself...but apparently you have.
how can you call it anything BUT buying friends when splattered across campus you have people who DRESS alike and cluster together in clumps...yes....i'm talking about those who wear jerseys...and how rarely we see sites like jerseys of different colors congregating together let alone jerseys congregating together with people with NO jerseys.
What about the people who can't AFFORD to pay dues or whatever you have to pay? do you make exceptions??
and Rushing...oh yes....a bunch of people running around trying to impresss the houses and vice versa so they can get in??? ANd you guys pick and choose who you want ..based on what??? an impression on who'd you'd like to hang out with. correct?
as far as parties..you generally are only allowed an invitation to these parties if you're a part of the organization...apparently such uncouth people such as myself would not be allowed in?? or would we? The fact is that most people pick what they want to be in based on who they want to hang out with..whether they want the partiers...or the prudent christian group..or race (yes..haven't you EVER noticed how you have solely black, white and mexican greeks on campus??? that's pathetic!)
I do realize that you do support some "causes" but for the most part, the greek organization are social clubs....you prepare for pigskin...sing...and party.
i'm not quick to generalize anything. Ive been here long enough to become well acquianted with the way things work. I also live right under a sorority house and have seen countless examples both on campus and personally.
you would have expected me to say this??? sounds like you made up your mind about me a long time ago...perhaps this is why you've never said "hey dm...lets go get coffee at common grounds".
it's not an environment kaak..it's an image that baylor is very good at. ANd it's bigotry that is backed with various skewed bible verses. You wouldn't be caught dead with me cause of this image you are so certain i possess.....
but i HAVE greek friends (that i rarely see because they've been sucke dinto the abyss) and won't turn away a person just cause they wear abercrombie and fitch and read fairy tales. I see the person....and rather than hide in a bubble and face it full on.

[Logical Realist]

Bigotry made noble

I can already tell that you are some bigoted right wing fanatic that know next to nothing about homosexuality as well as logic.

You call dm a "good liberalist" then accuse her of "stereotyping". And I suppose she does a bit. But stereotypes keep in mind are "generalizations about a group of people that MAY or MAY not be TRUE". Hers seem to be on the mark and her condemnations made for good reasons.

A person's sex life, even if it were a matter of choice does not affect you,(and with YOU I'm referring to Kaak). And the idea that its a matter of choice sounds very weak. Do other animals, ven chimps our closest relatives choose to be attracted to females? What then makes you think mankind is an exception?

I know now you'll say "God gave us free will". And there is no evidence for that. But for sake of argument lets say its true. Now god gave us free will, but god is also omniscient. How does that work? If God knows the future then was the choice free and unpredictable? Not really. What you are saying then is that God's system is arbitrary. As certain elements in it would have to be arbitrary(undetermined) for them to be truly free, i.e. have free will. But if it is arbitrary then God cannot predict it, i.e. know the future. But if God knows the future and retains his omniscience then, it means that the factors were determined and there really was no free choice.

Hence either God's system is somewhat arbitrary and unknowable for God or deterministic and in that case knowable but not truly free. Seems your system faces a serious contradiction. And that's assuming there was reason to accept any of its premises in the first place. There really aren't any except that of "faith" in which case you are just really going by preference.

Also your reasoning is bsed on the premise that two wrongs make a right.

Should homosexuals be allowed on campus? I don't really think so. People get kicked out for all kinds of things that go against christian morality, and that is one of them. And sodomy still gets prosocuted in TEXAS WOOOOOT!

So its ok to do the wrong thing because the wrongthing is done "all the time". Soit was ok for people to be racist because racist act were commited "all the time" back in the day. And blacks still get harrassed in the deep south. WOOOOT!.

If someone was bared from a school because he was black would that be ok? Would it if it was "done all the time"? Maybe to you it would, but to me that sounds very immoral.

Asher: not hatred or bigotry. Baylor tries to create a positive, traditional baptist enviroment for its students without the negative influences of the world. Students get expelled for being caught drinking more than a couple times, for getting pregnant outside of wedlock, for living with people of the opposite sex, and a variety of other things. UT is an hour from here, and a much more appropriate enviroment for Homosexuals. It isn't about hatred or bigotry, it is about trying to maintain a certain kind of enviroment. That is one of the reasons parents pay so much money to send their children here!

So it maintains a positive enviroment by calling the rest of the world negative? By descriminating against anyone who violates the rules of your superstition? I mean "for living with peope of the opposite sex". That's ridiculous. You think that just becuse itslegal for you to do that it's ok, and beyond moral condemnation and criticism. It's not. We have freedom of speech in the US and that means we have the freedom to criticize Baylor for its bigotry as much as we(or just I) want to. For example I guess certain people can set up a racist school and pay good money for it. But I can still say its wrong. Just like I can say Baylor is wrong.

[Logical Realist]

Newspeak award

I fond this to be a terribly amusing example of newspeak.

It isn't about hatred or bigotry, it is about trying to maintain a certain kind of enviroment.

In that your are basically just calling an example of hatred and bigotry something else that sounds vaguer and nicer. It's not "creationism" its "intelligent design". Its not "Hating jews" its "caring about germany". Not a "quack" but an alternative healer. You can call any example of bigotry an attempt to maintain a "certain kind of enviroment". Muslim theocrats in the mid-east don't opress anyone, aren't hateful they are just maintaining a "certain kind of enviroment". The statement is easily applied to any form of bigotry and as such is an obvious case of coping out of it. Such sophistry fools nobody but yourself.

[Kaak]

yes it is private, and blah blah blah, homosexuality is a choice. I've had more psychology classes than you could probably even name. Nature, nurture, whatever. It may be a subconscious choice, but it is a choice none the less, and with proper therapy can be remidied...

[Asher]

Originally posted by Kaak
yes it is private, and blah blah blah, homosexuality is a choice. I've had more psychology classes than you could probably even name. Nature, nurture, whatever. It may be a subconscious choice, but it is a choice none the less, and with proper therapy can be remidied...

Oh, thanks for telling me.
All this time I thought I had no choice.

It's so easy now.
Christianity has shown me the way.

(You're a deluded fool)

[*End Is Forever*]

You think anyone in their right mind would choose to be gay?