The United States won the Vietnam War

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by steelehc
Not quite. What about the Tet offensive? We lost that one.

The 1968 Tet Offensive was a military disaster for General Vo Nguyen Giap and his forces. It only succeded on the only front that it was meant to, in the realm of American public opinion.

Re War of 1812: It really isn't accurate to say that anyside "lost" that particular war as no major military/terrirorial gains were made be either side and the major issues that caused the war were not settled. Stalemate would be the more accurate term.

[Keygen]

Re: The United States won the Vietnam War

Originally posted by Dissident
Militarily we did not lose in Vietnam.

Neither Vietnamise did.

When you invade in a country with the purpose to beat the hell out of them and enforce them to accept your demands and fail to do so then you are the loser and certainly not the winner.

You went there to prevent North Vietnam from absorbing South Vietnam and you end up with near 50.000 deads and the unification of the two Vietnams into one under the North Vietnam control.

Is this what you call win?

Originally posted by Dissident
In conclusion: The United States is the greatest military power the world has ever known in its entire history.

Have they ever faced a strong enemy on their own?
I don't think so
A great army? You could say that. But the greatest?

Imagine that Alexander the Great wiped out the greatest empire the known world ever faced before the rise of the Roman Empire, the Persians with much smaller army and with no lost battle at all.
The Mongols conquered the entire Asia
The Germans kicked the butt of half Europe on their own before facing defeat from the combined forces of the strongest countries of the western world and the Russian winter

The only think you accomplished on your own is some invasions on Latin American and African weak countries.

[Goingonit]

Originally posted by Dissident
How can a country win every battle yet lose a war?

Sit right down and I'll tell you the story of Pyrrhus of Epirus.

Pyrrus of Epirus was a great general back around 280 BC. He was called on by the Greeks of southern Italy to defeat the Romans. So he came in, and he never lost a single battle against the Romans.

But he left, and the Romans eventually conquered Italy.

He had a limited force, and the Romans made him pay dearly for every battle he won (hence, pyrrhic victory), and he had to leave, having no more troops left.

[ZoboZeWarrior]

Re: Re: The United States won the Vietnam War

Originally posted by Keygen
The only think you accomplished on your own is some invasions on Latin American and African weak countries.

And what about Cuba ? Was that country conquered by USA ?

They sent anti-castrist cuban soldiers (a plan mounted by CIA & Mafia) and promise an air protection which never arrived .

It was sadly a bloodbath.

Americans are so angry to have lose a battle against this tiny state that they are still imposing an abusive blocus.

[Buck Birdseed]

Depends what you mean by winning. Certainly, the original aim (taking over one of France's colonial wars for them to get support for West German rearmament in Europe) was accomplished. The Final aim (getting out reasonably unscathed and stopping the domino effect from taking place) was almost accomplished. However, if you're suggesting that at no point was the American aim to invade the whole of vietnam and leave a US-friendly government in power, I'd say you were quite absurdly wrong. I'd even say that that was the aim during most of the war.

[Viper2263]

Originally posted by Harpax


Did you win World War II as well?

I imagine you're not American and I appreciate your right to believe we did not win the war for you, however I only excuse it because you need the morale. If you notice no one entered on either side after the United States. Why? Because when we entered and flexed our production muscle and our flair for tactics everyone knew the war would be over and who would win.

Even after the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, they knew it was over. Yamoto said "I fear we have awakened a sleeping giant."


*I apologize for that. It was rather rash. I'm just sick of Europe's feeling or remorse when we SAVED you. We couldn't have done it alone, but neither could all of you combined.

[BeBMan]

Originally posted by Snapcase
Certainly, the original aim (taking over one of France's colonial wars for them to get support for West German rearmament in Europe) was accomplished.

West German rearmament was related to the war in Korea, not the American engagement in Vietnam...

[Rogan Josh]

Originally posted by Viper2263
I imagine you're not American and I appreciate your right to believe we did not win the war for you, however I only excuse it because you need the morale. If you notice no one entered on either side after the United States. Why? Because when we entered and flexed our production muscle and our flair for tactics everyone knew the war would be over and who would win.

: Where do they get these people?

[Lefty Scaevola]

Originally posted by Rogan Josh
Where do they get these people?

I suppose it is time that someone explain "The birds and the bees" to Rogan Josh.

[Saint Marcus]

The U.S. has never lost a war. Militarily we did not lose in Vietnam. We had staggering success on the military front.

Denial

You're not the only one though. It seems (some) Americans have trouble admitting defeat.

Since the US achieved none of it's objectives in the end, it has clearly lost the war.

In conclusion: The United States is the greatest military power the world has ever known in its entire history.

And after reading this statement it's clear the thread is a troll. And a poor one at that. The greatest military power ever? Better brush up on your history, you need it.

[Viper2263]

Technically Vietnam was not war. It was a "peace keeping action. Congress never declared war, therefore the U.S. economy never shifted gears. The United States is one of the most flexible countries in the world in that way. If Congress had declared war we simply would have produced Tanks instead of cars and trampled that d***ed forest with mechanized warfare. eliminating the gurellia's ability to fight effectively.

[Maj]

I suppose if one alters the conventional definitions of the words "won" and "war" then yes, you could argue that the United States did win the Vietnam War.

With that kind of wordplay, I could also argue that the White House is in fact a pink trailer.

[Saint Marcus]

Technically Vietnam was not war. It was a "peace keeping action.

Peacekeeping with Napalm?

Now I know why the Europeans lead most "peace keeping actions" nowadays.

If Congress had declared war we simply would have produced Tanks instead of cars and trampled that d***ed forest with mechanized warfare. eliminating the gurellia's ability to fight effectively.

Quite the armchair general huh? LOL.

[kolpo]

Originally posted by Viper2263
Technically Vietnam was not war. It was a "peace keeping action. Congress never declared war, therefore the U.S. economy never shifted gears. The United States is one of the most flexible countries in the world in that way. If Congress had declared war we simply would have produced Tanks instead of cars and trampled that d***ed forest with mechanized warfare. eliminating the gurellia's ability to fight effectively.

Using tanks agains jungle guerillia?

[Alephz]

This thread is surrealistic.

US, KIA-47,072
WIA-----313,616
NV, KIA-1,030,000
WIA------987,000

Afghanistan war:
15000 Soviet casualties
3000000 Afghan casualties
Therefore the Russians won the Afghanistan war, not?.


Sorry, Vietnamese pissed on the Americans. Bombarding from thousand meters is easy. It is in land, face to face, where it is necessary to demonstrate the valor, and there, a Vietnamese (or an afghan) is equivalent to ten Americans.