Direct attack against free speech by US secret services!

[mactbone]

Hehe, I saw the same thing Ixnay, it brought a smile to my face

Well, it appears that after three days, no news agency has picked up on this. Maybe we should call CNN and ask them to run a story on this.

On another note, I just saw 8+ armed gaurds burst into the room next to mine. They were yelling about a conspiracy, but the only response they got was "I just don't like Mr. T!". Fool, no one can diss Mr. T and get away with it.

[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by axi
Oh, now I get it.

Evidently, even "progressive" governments like the finnish one are interested in "pulling out the splinters" out of their bodies, as Troll has successfully put it. I don't know what their special interest was, but international interest of secret services about this site doesn't mean that it should be shut down.



Does this "normal lifestyle" include commodities acqired through the exploitation of billions of people around the globe? Is capitalism above freedom of speech?

Unfortunately, yes my friend, although I dont agree with it. I for one earn a good income, have heatly debt and have to therefor work for a living. I dont agree we should "exploit" people groups. But what is exploitation? In some foregn countries where they earn $1,000.00 to $2,000.00 annually and a company comes in and setups up a share of an increased earnings potential, is that good or bad?

Reminds me of two blind men, one has hold of the elephants tail and the other the elephants trunk. VERY different perspective, although they each have infact, a share of the same "BIG PICTURE!". I dont care for nor do i condone "sweatshops" around the world, but truth be known, we dont allways know what the truth is. Only in what light the facts are presented. I certainly do not agree with capitalism above freedom of speech nor do I agree in the degregation of the fellow human race. Sad isnt it, how we justify in our hearts and minds what we think is correct. But I not be seeing all that goes into making a car, all that goes into our food preperation procedures, but I trust it to be ok, but then there is that old familiar story of mice at McDonalds..........

To keep in a responsive answer to your point, I wish we indeed answered civil rights violations more collectively, but alas we shun the truth too often within our borders, focusing which trees we choose to harvest, which hedges to groom and what lawns to mow, rather thean cleaning up entire landscape!

Make you pray we all chage! God will indeed have final sayso!

Yours In Civin

Troll

[axi]

***bump***

Troll is in a philosophical mood I see....

Damn the Apolyton curse!

[Stefu]

Even government's from the UK, Canada, Lavtia, Belgium, Egypt, Finland, and Australia monitered the site continuesly.

Probably just our beloved bearded Foreign Minister, Erkki Tuomioja, looking for new ideas for foreign political statements.

[DinoDoc]

Stefu, what is it exactly that attracts you to every thread that has the word Finland in it?

[Stefu]

Search engine?

No, really, I'm just preservin' the Finland image, mon.

[Anodyne]

Haha. Well, personally I think that Tuomioja is perhaps the best foreign minister we've had for ages! And I think it gets cooler/funnier everytime to say that our foreign minister is a member of Attac-(which I don't like, but it's still cool) organization And he really has some good opinions, too. He's really one of the few intellectual/cultural politicians we really should need nowadays, despite his sometimes weird statements.

...and it's LATVIA, you damn morons, not Lavtia

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Ade
...and it's LATVIA, you damn morons, not Lavtia

Don't blame us. axi's entire article, which he fully expected us to take at face value, was riddled with spelling errors.

[axi]

DD, have I mentioned that I love your posting style?

[Stefu]

Haha. Well, personally I think that Tuomioja is perhaps the best foreign minister we've had for ages! And I think it gets cooler/funnier everytime to say that our foreign minister is a member of Attac-(which I don't like, but it's still cool) organization And he really has some good opinions, too. He's really one of the few intellectual/cultural politicians we really should need nowadays, despite his sometimes weird statements.

Umm. Err.

I like it when people disagree with me!

Really, though, if Tuomioja should be chosen as SDP leader, then I'll be forced to vote for the evil bourgeois capitalist conservative party. The one that isn't agrarian-based. That's right, if I'm voting for National Coalition, SDP has no-one to blame but themselves!

[Grandpa Troll]

Re: ***bump***

Originally posted by axi
Troll is in a philosophical mood I see....

Damn the Apolyton curse!

As age creeps well within my hearing aid range, (Hope I dont misspell any words, dont wanna get picked on!!) I hear James Taylor murmuring.."These are..the good old days!"

Yours In Civin


Troll

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by axi
DD, have I mentioned that I love your posting style?

BOW before your King.

[Bereta_Eder]

dinodoc=clueless but he likes it

Originally posted by DinoDoc


BOW before your King.

just be sure you don't bow BEHIND Dinodoc

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
In which case why hasn't http://www.anti-state.com/ been raided as well?

Anti-state is pro-capitalism.

[chequita guevara]

You realize you folks have largely engaged in ad hominem attacks against axi's articles.

Raise the First [mirror]

Go look for yourself to see if you can find what's so dangerous about the site.

1) sherman cannot be on AIM because he doesn't have any computers anymore. He will be on periodicly at times when at computers in other locations (friends house ..etc..etc..)

2) if trying to call sherman, if there is no answer you can leave a message. please be aware that both lines are tapped. do not say anything that might incriminate yourself

3) about raisethefist:

raisethefist was an anarchist/acticvist collective/independent media organization. It's political affiliation was anarchism. Raisethefist organizes, helps to promote, endorses several demonstrations, reports on them .. etc..etc. The site is made up of a collective of people who basicly provide articles. Raisethefist.com was being ran off a network within sherman's home. The Los Angeles Anarchist Collective (LAAC, http://LAanarchists.org) was also being ran off this network, so that site is also down.

4) sherman is in los angeles, at a friends house doing work on legal stuff.. he'll be back home in a few days.

5) again, contacting sherman won't be as easy as it was before, because he has NO COMPUTERS. Everything was taken. The only time he will be online is if he is using a friends computer, or a public computer (library ..etc.) .. HOWEVER, you can still email sherman at food_should_be_free@yahoo.com .. messages can be relayed to him through that email address

6) just to confirm several specifics about the raid,

- it happend at aproximently 4PM

- about 25-30 FBI, Secret Service, LAPD, and LASD participated in the raid, most of them were FBI.

- there was a 25 page warent. It is not clear what the charges will be, many of the specifics cannot be discussed over the internet, but this is a serious issue, and there will most likely be a load of charges against sherman for running raisethefist.com, the material presented on the site, amongst other things (which cannot be discussed over the internet).

- people are encouraged to organize demonstations. If in/around L.A county, the demonstration should be in front of the Westood federal building. Demonstrations would be good to help draw awareness to the situation.

- at this time, it's not yet sure how soon - or if raisethefist.com will ever be back online. If anyone has saved images from the site, or prefebly CACHE from the site (especially the raisethefist.com logo), DON'T DELETE IT. Please save it to a disk so we can help get the broken pieces of the site together, and hopefully rebuild it in the future. I'm assuming that there will have to be a new webmaster for the site for the time being .. the domain, raisethefist.com would also have to be moved to a different host.

if you have any questions, please contact food_should_be_free@yahoo.com

again, there was a 25 page warent. at this time it is not certain what the charges will be, but sherman was told he was in 'serious trouble'. (however you'd like to interperate that).

by anonymous

I just want to confirm that sherman was told by the 2 FBI agents conducting the team during the raid that this WAS related to S-11 .. and that the content on the site was what they were "interested in" .. but it's obvious they were interested in alot more. they have been watching him for along time now. long before the incriminating content was even posted on the site.

also, the FBI did raid the house with guns. they were heavily armed. they had sub machine guns, shot guns, and hand guns. they sorounded the house. they had FBI, secret service, lapd and lasd there. There are whiteness all in the neighborhood who saw it, including peolpe who were currently at the house.

if you want to get in contact with sherman, you can email him at food_should_be_free@yahoo.com, and messages can be relayed to him.