Direct attack against free speech by US secret services!

[faded glory]

Those computers werent his. Since he is an anarchist, Im sure he understands that the computers belong to the Society, as a whole, and not just him




So whats the fuss?





















psst Paiktas there is Pepsi, Coke, Dr. Pepper, and dont forget the millions of store brands.

[HisMajestyBOB]

Dr. Pepper is owned by Pepsi, thats why they are sold out of Pepsi machines.

[faded glory]

wow really? Thats somthing interesting I learned today.


Theres still Jolly Good, SAMS, millions of other store brands

I havent been keepin track of Pepsico lately

Its a stock I wanted to buy when it was at 16 bucks in the mid 90's.


Since then they have acquired KFC, Taco Bell, god.....the list goes on really.

[Sirotnikov]

Re: Some angry comments:

Originally posted by axi
1. Indymedia is a place where anybody can post a news bulletin. This article was not written by indymedia staff and it's author is unknown. I tend to believe it though.

Yeah.

I once read an article in Indymedia that Israel was behind 9/11.

Very believeable

2. I didn't claim that indymedia, this article and myself are not biased against the US secret services.

Ok, then. Honesty is good

3. "Violent demonstrastions", specially with the definition that US law enforcement tend to give to the term (blocking traffic, resisting arrest, breaking blockades, etc), is not a crime in my book.

But not so in the books of most people.

In any case, you're fully aware that "violent demonstrations" usually means not the peacefull resistance (blocking traffic, resisiting arrest) but the violent and barbaric rioting, such as seen in europe during anti-globalization protests.

4. "Harboring of illegal aliens" isn't a crime either, for those who believe in the freedom of the movement of people.

This is not true. A freedom of movement is existant within a state alone.

A state is responsible for the people living in it, and esp. it's citizens. A state can not hold responsability for every person on earth that might find an interest to immigrate into it.

Simply put, if 1,000,000,000 chinese suddenly immigrate into USA, USA will be economically and socially screwed.


Infact, your point of view is not only unrealistic but is also an outcast in the world, as all countries have regulations over immigration and most countries have great support for this regulation.

5. The LA Times CANNOT be cosidered unbiased. It is corporate media.

So there's no reason why it can't be impartial about this. It's not an economical issue.

If it would be a state controlled paper, I'd understand. But it's not.

6. Israel indymedia is one of the few places in israeli media where one can read about the other side of the Palestine argument.

False.

Israeli TV and newspapers regularly print all sides of the arguement, though, admittedly due to natural majority, more info on the Israeli side.

I regularly take interest in the palestinian side and feel great sorrow for the palestinian people who suffer because of their govt. who supports extremists.

However, just because I sorry the people, I don't intend to ignore the threat posed by the leaders and extremists and support Israel's struggle against them, even though Israeli retaliations often cause innocent deaths.

Honestly, I prefer some other innocent person to die than me. And if terrorists are not pursued and threatened, they will kill me more easily.

I admire them for their guts to speak for justice and the oppressed, against their "national interests" and without fear of the threats by the state and paramilitaries.

Typical anarchist bull****.

When was the last time Israel "opressed" people speaking out their guts?

When was ever a non-violent peace demonstrator arrested? When was ever a leftist journalist arrested? Never.


Israeli military and police do what they can to save Israeli citizens from barbaric terrorists. They don't have the will, time or need to touch thugs with paranoid illusions.

7. I feel that DinoDoc is too eager to discredit me, indymedia and this article. I don't require you to agree with me, but I won't stand having the sincerity of my posts challenged like this. Hell, when a country is filled with reactionaries like DD, it's no wonder the govt is allowed to do such things!

Since when a govt. should be disallowed to defend it's citizens?

Your opinions are extreme and though I agree with some points, your main ideology and point of view that the state is the enemy of the people is wrong IMO. I believe that without a state, there could be no achievements nor could there be organization to take care of the citizens.

Furthermore I believe in the nationalistic states and think your universalism is unrealistic and can't exist. Not while we are considered the only political intelligent society.

If aliens are met, we'll change in a few centuries.

[axi]

Typical anarchist bull****.

your main ideology and point of view that the state is the enemy of the people is wrong IMO

I am not an anarchist, I am a communist. I am a communists who considers anarchists to be comrades.

I once read an article in Indymedia that Israel was behind 9/11.

I heard that too, but not from indymedia, but from various people I know, both righties and lefties. Israel is the only foreign state, apart from the USA which is loathed both from the right and the left. I can't understand why, though...

Perhaps because you're the party which is most eager to screw the Arab fundamentalists.

[Dis]

anarchists don't count

they really don't have any rights. because if they really believed in anarchy then they would have no problem with me killing them and taking everything they own.

[faded glory]

This person is a hipocrite (sp? sorry..typing bloc) and a moron.








There are starving kids in Cuba who do not have computers, and yet he has 12?


Whata a greedy Materialist

Im wondering if all that anarchist BS is just to help a loser socialize.

[axi]

they really don't have any rights. because if they really believed in anarchy then they would have no problem with me killing them and taking everything they own.

They believe in anarchism, not in anarchy.

There is a HUGE difference between those two.

[Dis]

not to me there isn't

but feel free to type in the correct definition of anarchism

[Dis]

The theory or doctrine that all forms of government are oppressive and undesirable and should be abolished

from http://www.dictionary.com/

need I say more. What would happen if all goverment was abolished? think about this for a second and you'll see that anarchy will be the result.

[faded glory]

Originally posted by Dissident
not to me there isn't

but feel free to type in the correct definition of anarchism

The definition is too vague, thats why it can never work or succeed.

Every anarchist believe in somthing different.

[axi]

Every anarchist believe in somthing different.

So does every communist. So does every christian for that matter. So what?

[faded glory]

Originally posted by axi


So does every communist. So does every christian for that matter. So what?

Ahh so change the subject

Why dont you just answer Dissidents question!?

need I say more. What would happen if all goverment was abolished? think about this for a second and you'll see that anarchy will be the result.

[HisMajestyBOB]

I cannot understand how anyone could be stupid enough to believe in anarchism. Probably just a bunch of *******s who want an excuse to destoy stuff. Or dumbasses who want attention because they never see daylight.

There are starving kids in Cuba who do not have computers, and yet he has 12?


Whata a greedy Materialist

Im wondering if all that anarchist BS is just to help a loser socialize.

Yup, I bet most communists use the capitalist system. Hell, I wish Russia would charge people to visit Lenin's body and make it a tourist attraction. The ultimate irony

[faded glory]

You know after the Gotheburg riots the Racine paper did a short thing on the mind of Anarchist. And if I remember,some of there traits were


1)Scape goating
2)Young
3)Vague
4)Pot Smokers
5)Move in Groups
6)Most dont practice what they preach (Basically, its ok to turn over an anyonymous persons car...but dont you dare turn over theres! That would be a crime )

There where like 10 of them with each that went into detail...


but I think this what breeds such idiotic Ideologies

Im wondering if all that anarchist BS is just to help a loser socialize.