Hitler Was Right....

[Moritz]

was copernicus german or poland? anybody who knows?

[Keygen]

Originally posted by Moritz
was copernicus german or poland? anybody who knows?

As far as I know he was Polish.

[Ecowiz Returns]

Eli wrote:

How the hell can you call someone who lived 2000 years ago a "Palestinian" if the term exists only for 35 years?

I parcially agree with you.
Certainly Jesus was not a Palestinian as the the term is carved nowadays.
However, Palestine is not a term with 35 years, if i'm not mistaken. Didn't the Roman Empire called that region Palestine?

Some ilustrative links:

http://www.usd.edu/erp/Palestine/palestin.htm

http://www.ccel.org/bible/phillips/CN600NTWORLD.htm

http://www.google.com/search?q=roman+empire+palestine&hl=pt&lr=

Jesus was born in a territory known, at the time, as Palestine, which makes Him a Palestinian, much as current Israelis are Palestinian themselves, for the name, Palestine, remained. However, it doesn't make Him a Palestinian as the current meaning goes. You know, i was born in the Iberian Peninsula, also called Hyspanic Peninsula, which does not make me Spanish.

However all those born in Palestine may be called Palestinians, the same way those born in the Arabic Peninsula may be called Arabs, and those born in Europe, European. Therefore, those that are currently called Palestinians are, in fact, Palestinians. However, they are as much Arabs as Isreallis are, which is not a single bit.

Now... please recall I said Jesus was Jew (from birth - Judea, from teaching and culture, and from religion by which He was educated). I said Jesus was Palestinian knowing I was being inacurate.

I did it to stress one point though. That the land, where both Israellis and "currently named" Palestines live in, belong to both of them. In some way they are both Palestine, both people love their land, both suffer from seing it destroyed by biggots, from either side (there are no saints here).

However, it was a bit of topic. The main point is that, other than the fine examples of Einstein (the only thing German in him was his place of birth), Jesus, one of the greatest men in hystory (my personal favourite), was 100% Jew/ 0% "Ferman".

But, of course, that was not the only mistakes Hitler did.
Question his, did he make something right?

[Eli]

Originally posted by Ecowiz Returns

Didn't the Roman Empire called that region Palestine?

A small quiz for everyone. When and why the Romans started to call this land Palestine, and what did the name described before that? Dont forget sources.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Eli
A small quiz for everyone. When and why the Romans started to call this land Palestine, and what did the name described before that?

Ya, got me on the first part of the question. But for the second part, wasn't it originally called Judea?

[Keygen]

Originally posted by Ecowiz Returns
However, Palestine is not a term with 35 years, if i'm not mistaken. Didn't the Roman Empire called that region Palestine?

Ecowiz, Palestine was more a geographical name rather a national distinction until recently in my opinion.

They might have called the people inhabited there Palestinians in the past too but as far as I know there was no Palestinian nationality but populations from different orientation mixed together and call them all Palestinians from the name of the region.

[Mark_Lipovrovskiy]

Well, Eli, I've got a little problem with sources... But let's see if you believe me. The Romans started calling what was before Provincia Judea "Palestina" after the Phillistines. They also evicted most Jews, changed Jerusalem to Ilia (or something) Capitolina, etc. etc. because of the Rebellion just surpressed.
Just FYI, the Romans had lots of coins circa 80 AD picturing "Judea Capta" - so here's about Jesus being a Palestinian. Anyway, again, if you want to call someone's nationality after Palestine, you'd better use Phillistine since that's where the name came from. Of course current day Palestinians have no connection to the Phillistines

Now about the Judaism question: You might call it Hebrews, Israelites or Jews - doesn't matter. All these mean the same thing. It is both a religion and a nationality. Not a race.
One can join a nationality by becoming like any other member of it, and Jewish nationality is defined by religion, culture, collective memory, tradition and so on. Also language. In all these things there were of course complications during the millenia, but it would suffice to say that the public (at least pretends to) accepts the Ethiopian Jews as, well, Jews. Although the are black yadda yadda yadda.

~Mark

PS. Odd occasions I choose for popping in...

[Ecowiz Returns]

Originally posted by Keygen


Ecowiz, Palestine was more a geographical name rather a national distinction until recently in my opinion.

They might have called the people inhabited there Palestinians in the past too but as far as I know there was no Palestinian nationality but populations from different orientation mixed together and call them all Palestinians from the name of the region.

Of course, you're right. I mention that in the post, too:

Quoting myself:

However all those born in Palestine may be called Palestinians, the same way those born in the Arabic Peninsula may be called Arabs, and those born in Europe, European.

When saying Jesus was Palestinian I meant it in this way. When meantioning His nationality, i said He was Jew.

[Ecowiz Returns]

I stand corrected

In http://www.usd.edu/erp/Palestine/palestin.htm

"In the first century BCE Pompey reorganized much of the eastern Mediterranean to suit Roman interests. Subsequently Palestine became a client kingdom or group of client kingdoms under such local monarchs as Herod the Great. After Herod's death, its heart, Judaea, became a province under the authority of the governor of Syria, but the Jewish Revolt of 66 to 73 or 74 CE prompted Vespasian to reorganize it as a senatorial province with a permanently stationed legionary force. Hadrian renamed the province Syria Palaestina. It kept this name, often shortened to Palaestina, until the end of the fourth century, when in the wake of a general imperial reorganization Palestine became three Palestines: First, Second, and Third. This configuration, as far as we know, persisted into the seventh century and the Persian and Muslim conquests."

So Jesus could not be a Palestinian.

But, again on topic: he was a Jew!!! And one of the greatest men in Hystory!!! Better than any German, is any account I can think off!!! The comparison is unfair by itself!!!

[Eli]

Gooooooood.

This land was always called Israel or Judea.
But there was a small strip of land in the place of today's Gaza Strip(only bigger) inhabited by the Philistines who came to the area aproximately in the same time Jews came(1300-1200BC).
After the Great Uprising(or was it after the 135AD uprising?) the Romans changed the name of the land to Syria Palestina(like you found out) and the name of Jerusalem to Ilia Capitolina(as Mark said) also forbidding Jews from visiting or living in Jerusalem.
Since then, the land was called Palestine and the Jews werent able to change it(exile and stuff).
There is no connection between the modern Palestinians to the Philistines and the people who lived in Eretz Yisrael() in those times since most of the Palestinians immigrated to this land aproximately in the same time Jews did.