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  • Slavery Museum - Bad Idea?

    Recently a proposal to build a national slavery museum has been resurrected. http://www.starbanner.com/articles/news/403.shtml

    Do you think this is a bad idea?

    I am against this museum for the following reasons:

    "Constant reminders of slavery suggest to Blacks that if they are more likely than Whites to be poor, in jail, on welfare, on drugs, have illegitimate children, or to drop out of school, it is not really their fault. It is, instead, the legacy of slavery and of the continuing racism that slavery is said to have burned into the minds of Whites.

    The message for Whites is even more blunt: Whites are guilty of terrible crimes, from which all Blacks suffer to this day. The implication is that Whites should therefore agree to the demands of Blacks, whether for racial preferences, reparations for slavery, or calls for "sensitivity."

    All this is extremely damaging. It helps no Black person to tell him that White wickedness, past and present -- and not his own abilities --determines whether he will succeed. Likewise, Whites are increasingly annoyed at being blamed for things they did not do.

    At the same time, because one of the purposes of a slavery museum is to make Whites feel guilty, it would be likely to ignore or downplay certain facts: Slavery has been widespread in virtually every period of history, and was hardly unique to

    America. Slavery was widely practiced in Africa long before the trans-Atlantic slave trade, and virtually every Black slave who came to North America was first enslaved by other Blacks and then sold to Whites. Slavery in Africa was abolished by Whites -- not by Blacks -- and in Sudan and Mauritania it continues to this day.

    In the United States, the 1830 census found that more than 3,000 free Blacks owned slaves, and there were Black owners in every state in which slavery was legal. In 1830, free Blacks owned more than 10,000 slaves in just the four states of Louisiana, Maryland, Virginia and South Carolina:

    Andrew Durnford of Louisiana owned more than 100 slaves. Madame Ciprien Ricard, also of Louisiana, owned 168 black slaves. Black masters bought and sold their property and offered rewards for runaways, just as White masters did.

    At the same time, only a small minority of Whites were slave-holders. In the states of the Confederacy, only one in five White households owned slaves. Needless to say, the millions of Whites who are today descended from post-emancipation European immigrants had no ancestral involvement in slavery at all. Finally, slavery was ended by the efforts of Whites, not Blacks, and came at the end of a war that cost the lives of 600,000 White soldiers.

    For all these reasons, slavery is hardly the simple tale of bad Whites and good Blacks many make it out to be. Any museum that slants the past, and that pits one race against another through excuse-making and guilt-mongering, will harm our society rather than help it."
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    If all the people treated with prejudice were given a museum there would be nothing else.
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    • #3
      There is nothing wrong with a museum about slavery. It is a chapter that Americans should be made aware of. But it should also be told from an objective view point. Slavery was evil and everyone knows that. But if it is used to create current divisions instead of to illustrate past ones, then it would cause more problems then it would solve.


      I wonder if this museum would have references of blacks owning slaves?
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      • #4
        It also helps white revisionists avoid the less-than-pleasant realities of the past.

        I have several (actually, quite a few, the more collateral you go) ancestors by marriage who owned slaves, and some indications of direct ancestors who may have, though no hard records have survived within our family.

        But hell, my family was among the first settlers of Virginia and Kentucky, and were all free men with reasonable prosperity, so it's almost beyond doubt that some of them had at least house slaves.

        Do I feel guilty for that or that I owe anybody anything for it? Hell no! Do I have a problem with a museum that focuses on an area of American history (and anthropology) that we know relatively little about? Not only hell no, but I'd like to go see it.

        The article you're quoting from Cal, is already presupposing an agenda on the part of the museum, and you're suggesting we bury history, rather than address it accurately.
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        • #5
          I think that this would be a good idea to have this museum because slavery is a key part of our nation's history, and if the money could be pooled for it, I am sure it would be profitable for whoever wants to build this. Museums covering the native american genocide and the victims of the Phillipines war would also be good.
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          • #6
            You mean a slavery museum doesn't exist already? How odd.
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            • #7
              Re: Slavery Museum - Bad Idea?

              Originally posted by Caligastia
              Any museum that slants the past, and that pits one race against another through excuse-making and guilt-mongering, will harm our society rather than help it."
              That seems to be stating the obvious, but it doesn't mean that a slavery museum would automatically be slanted. Is there some reason why this quote was used? Are there any indications that the proposed museum would be slanted. Where did this quote originate?
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              • #8
                Cold war is over too...
                Why don't you create a "Cold War" museum, with stuffed "communists" in glass cases and such?
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                • #9
                  I see no problem with it, as long as the "objective view point" Sprayber mentioned is guaranteed.

                  This discussion reminds me on the discussion about the an exhibition in Germany about WWI warcrimes done by "normal" Wehrmacht soldiers. It was highly emotional, but in the end this discussion has improved the entire exhibition, because parts of it were reworked to be more objective.

                  And nobody thinks here the only reason for this exhibition is to make all Germans feel guilty about WWII. We simply have to accept our history to learn from it.
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                  • #10
                    Should Germany have a Holocaust Museum? (I believe it already does, in addition to preserving the camps as historic sites.) Should Russia have a museum devoted to Stalin's atrocities? If so, then the US should have a slavery museum. Simple as that.

                    But even leaving aside comparisons to other countries, of course we should have one. This issue isn't African-American victimization, but rather American history, pure and simple: no single institution did more to shape the US than slavery. A museum dedicated to that fact would be extremely educationally valuable.

                    Would blacks come off as victims? Would wealthy Southern whites come off as villians? I dunno; how do Jews and Nazis come off in the Holocaust museum?
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                    • #11
                      Why does it have to be dedicated to slavery? Whats wrong with an american museum of history where slavery is addressed appropriately?

                      no single institution did more to shape the US than slavery
                      The constitution? The bill of rights?

                      The article you're quoting from Cal, is already presupposing an agenda on the part of the museum, and you're suggesting we bury history, rather than address it accurately.
                      I dont mind if it is addressed accurately, but is it really worthy of having a whole museum dedicated to it? Also, if its going to be an objective museum of slavery in the US then part of it should explain how the slaves were taken from africa. Do you think this museum would have any mention of the fact that the slaves that were brought over were already enslaved by black people? Personally I doubt it.

                      Are there any indications that the proposed museum would be slanted. Where did this quote originate?
                      This museum would be slanted if it didnt include the story of the black slave owners in africa, and I honestly dont think that would be mentioned.
                      This is where I got the quote from:
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                      • #12
                        Slavery was an early defining institution of the USA, of great importance to its society and history. It is certainly worthy of museums or other means to illuminate it. As for any biases of group calumies incorporated therein address them if and when there are actual plans therefor.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Sprayber
                          There is nothing wrong with a museum about slavery. It is a chapter that Americans should be made aware of. But it should also be told from an objective view point. Slavery was evil and everyone knows that. But if it is used to create current divisions instead of to illustrate past ones, then it would cause more problems then it would solve.


                          I wonder if this museum would have references of blacks owning slaves?
                          Ok, I want an Irish immigrant museum.
                          Let's all be represented.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Caligastia
                            Why does it have to be dedicated to slavery? Whats wrong with an american museum of history where slavery is addressed appropriately?
                            Well, what is your point here? Others can ask: Whats wrong with an american museum of slavery where slavery is addressed appropriately?

                            Do you think facts about slavery only have a place in a general history museum? Why are there museums for old automobiles then? Shouldn´t all these old cars be in a museum of history?

                            I agree with you that a museum of slavery should cover the different aspects of the whole topic objectively. But how can you know that this would not be the case before you´ve seen the result?

                            Oh, and I just noticed that I wrote WWI warcrimes in my post above - should be WWII of course...
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                            • #15
                              There are Holocaust museums all over the world, including a National Holocaust Museum in the States. The only reason there's any opposition to this is that it hits a little too close to home for some people.

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