A breach of the Geneva Convention?

[Chris 62]

Originally posted by Osweld
In a humane fashion. I don't know how the soldiers are being treated, it's very possible that they are being treated humanely, it's also possible that they aren't - I don't know. I was just saying that this thread is about inhumane conditions and that concern applies to everyone.

We will keep them fit and healty right up to the time we hang them.

I believe you just quoted Saddam Hussien's reaction to 9/11.

The difference is, we mean what we say, he's a blowhard whose days are numbered.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Osweld
Regardless of their military status, they are human beings. This is not about wether they are mercenaries,

Actually if MtG is correct in his view of international law, they are being treated exactly in accordance with thier status in the Geneva Convention. Speaking of MtG, where is he? He'd be able to defend his views better than I.

[Lefty Scaevola]

I suppose none of you have noticed that the current prison is just a temporty facility being used, while the actual prison, built to more regualtion specifications, is being constructed nearby at the same base?

[Lonestar]

The WashingtonPost today specfically quoted the Colonel in charge of these prisions as saying "We are treating them within the bounds of the Geneva Convention."


So unless our government has been lying more than usual...

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by DinoDoc


Actually if MtG is correct in his view of international law, they are being treated exactly in accordance with thier status in the Geneva Convention. Speaking of MtG, where is he? He'd be able to defend his views better than I.

I don't care if it's legal. Treating anyone in a inhumane fashion isn't right, regardless.



P.S. Shouldn't you be attending a MtG fanclub meeting, or something?

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Osweld
P.S. Shouldn't you be attending a MtG fanclub meeting, or something?

My invitation seems to have been lost in the mail. Your overly moralistic attitude annoys me as well.

[MOBIUS]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Your overly moralistic attitude annoys me as well.

A propaganda field day for muslim extremists IMO - now they can tell billions in the world "Look, they are barbarians, just look at how they treat their prisoners!"

This is a sad day for the US IMO when the supposed protector of the free world resorts to this kind of inhumane treatment. This isn't just some grunt at Bat Guano Bay (although I sure he's enjoying himself immensely!), this goes all the way to the top and is sanctioned by the US government's inner circle! Frankly it makes me sick...

What worries me the most is what will ultimately happen to the men, after all with the secrecy of the Military Courts etc, will some of them end up 'disappeared' - not to mention the fact that 'interrogation' probably means 'torture'!

But it's OK as long as there's no obvious external damage eh - a little too much juice to the gonads, whoops! Oh well, we were gonna kill them anyway...

Frankly anyone who agrees with this kind of treatment, is no better than the Al-Qaeda themselves - the end result is likely to be the same...

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by faded glory
Rumsfeld: The are not Prisoners of war. They are Unlawful detainee's.

It's unfortunate that such nitwits are occupying vital positions in the US cabinet.

Instead of walking the talk, to show the Islamic World that the US is A Good Guy, weasel attempts were made.

Is there any doubt why the Islamic World is largely antagonistic towards the US?

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Originally posted by Chris 62
Well Laz, this is basically the same argument as that other thread.

They aern't POWs, no matter what the Red Cross or AI proclaim, they are criminals.
Merc status is irrelevent.

They only need be kept fed and sheltered till trial, and I wouldn't shed a tear for a one of them, because I've been in their front line, and seen what they do to innocents, so don't bother trying that argument with me, it will fall on deaf ears.

They are but the first wave, and I'm for treating them as harsh as possible, I remember 9/11.

They sowed this, let them reap it.

The spirit of your post hits the nail on the head as far as I'm concerned. We are better than them.

That being the case, why blow it now that we've won (or are close to winning)? Having got this far we've got far more to lose than to gain by failing to observe the GC. Look at it this way- it's a powerful declaration of superior humanity to afford the prisoners decent treatment prior to their trial. We can only gain from it.

We all remember the attacks. No-one will forget them. Still, if some degree of positivity can be obtained from our actions now, then it's worth it. We approached this as a war. We fought this as a war. Why back off now?

[CB2034]

Originally posted by Bugs ****ing Bunny


The spirit of your post hits the nail on the head as far as I'm concerned. We are better than them.

That being the case, why blow it now that we've won (or are close to winning)? Having got this far we've got far more to lose than to gain by failing to observe the GC. Look at it this way- it's a powerful declaration of superior humanity to afford the prisoners decent treatment prior to their trial. We can only gain from it.

We all remember the attacks. No-one will forget them. Still, if some degree of positivity can be obtained from our actions now, then it's worth it. We approached this as a war. We fought this as a war. Why back off now?

The war on terrorism is not won, nor is it close to winning. These fanatics believe that if they die while fighting the infidles then they go to heaven where there are many virgins for one man. They will take every chance given to them to kill, hurt, maim, or destroy anything that they think resembles the infidels. By not chaining them to their seats they would most certainly tried to crash the plane they were in. Yes, the prisons they are in currently are not anything at all close to humane, but you cant immediatly say we need a nice clean prison, and poof! its there. These things take time. Im sure when they finally get to cuba the living conditions will be better, however these people commited attrocities against not only other nations but their own people as well. Do they deserve better then they are getting?

A ex-marine at work said to me at work soon after sept 11th. Nuke them all and let God sort them out.

Also, one more thing to add.
They already killed many thousands Sept 11th and when we caught them then they killed more during a prison uprising.
So should we not do everything possible to keep them from uprising again?

You screw me once shame on you, screw me twice shame on me.

[CB2034]

One more thing to add,
The Geneva Convention is suppose to protect civilian during time of war. Didn't the Taliban and Al Qaeda already break this part of the treaty when they attacked NewYork City?

edit: spelling

[Chris 62]

Originally posted by Bugs ****ing Bunny
The spirit of your post hits the nail on the head as far as I'm concerned. We are better than them.

No one with any brains denies this, Laz.

That being the case, why blow it now that we've won (or are close to winning)? Having got this far we've got far more to lose than to gain by failing to observe the GC. Look at it this way- it's a powerful declaration of superior humanity to afford the prisoners decent treatment prior to their trial. We can only gain from it.

Any "reports" of the prisoners being treated poorly can be chalked up to the usual press BS, inventing a story when none really exists. We see it's effects in this thread, look at all the suckers who fell for the line already. Not one of them has any proof of wrong doing, yet there they are, screaming about how the US f*cked up here and there, how it will excite the Islamic world, excetera.
What a load of horse dung.
Only over-ripe bleeding hearts fall for that non-sense.
Remember the "reports" of US bombs killing civilians left and right that they were screaming about?
Turns out that was bull, just as I knew it was (if it was true, the left wing of the US Press would have eaten it up).
Many people here continue to apply their value system on the Islamic world. For the most part, they find kindness and sympathy to defeated foes as a sign of weakness. Look, really look, at how they treat each other and the outside world, and all these tears for the El Queda terrorists becomes as foolish looking as it truly is.

We all remember the attacks. No-one will forget them.

Reading several of the dumb-assed comments in this thread, I doubt that.

Still, if some degree of positivity can be obtained from our actions now, then it's worth it. We approached this as a war. We fought this as a war. Why back off now?

They will be treated fairly, the USA takes pride in that, unlike our euro friends, we have never mistreated those we capture on the battlefield (Watch, some dumb ass will try to interject some fantasy instance, totally unprovable, that I'm wrong here).
They are terrorists, they tried to kill us, they were defeated, now they will pay the price for their murderous ways, to the full extent of US law.
Nuff said.

[Dr. Nick]

Ehm, I saw the report on the BBC World News Report on television this morning. They are in cages exposed to the elements.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by MOBIUS
A propaganda field day for muslim extremists IMO

Who should be gald that we didn't summarially hand them over to the Northern Alliance for "interrogation."

[Bereta_Eder]

And some of them suffer from a disease of the lungs (don't know the name in english).

I haven't seen them on TV so I don't have a picture of it.

I think that putting them in cages is the modern equivalant of having a thief walking with his head and hands in a wooden box amonst the streets like it was in the middle ages.

It provides a sort of"revenge" and a feeling of security to the american public seeing them like that in cages.

I think that is the real reason of them being handled like this.