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**MarkG** · January 9, 2002, 08:23

Originally posted by Roland
Look, this kind of news is made like this:

Opinion | Just A Little Honest (Published 2002)

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/01/09/opinion/09DOWD.html

nice

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btw, i love forced registrations. according to the data that ny time now has, i was born in 1966, live in andorra, work in the agriculture industry making over $100K per year. i'm a ceo and my function in my company is skilled labor

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**DinoDoc** · January 9, 2002, 13:30

Originally posted by paiktis22
Having said that, I consent that the Greek police is far from competent in that regard of getting 17N.

Thank you, paiktis22! That is the real point I've been trying to get at since this thread began and as you finally admitted that point I have no further quarrel with you other than your paranoia wrt the CIA. For the record, that is what I thought that the broadcast should have highlighted rather than any supposed government support.

Now for my "good friend" MarkG: paiktis, it's really simple(to think like dinodoc): if you're not arresting 5 people per day (only to release them later) you're not doing your job as a police force...

Is it really so much to ask that a police force actually follow up on information given to it by a foreign government, that you allow reasonable laws to pass that would might actually allow the police to do thier job, & that the greek people get over thier irrational fear of the police? I would hope not but apparently it is.

Roland: (need to register I think)

Can you post the article here? I refuse to register at the NY Times.

**Bereta_Eder** · January 9, 2002, 13:39

oops

**Bereta_Eder** · January 9, 2002, 13:41

Originally posted by DinoDoc

Thank you, paiktis22! That is the real point I've been trying to get at

We know our shortcomings. This should not constitue a base for all the other blizzard of misinformation and slander though.

Is it really so much to ask that a police force actually follow up on information given to it by a foreign government,

Greece does not accept "lists of suspects" from USA. (Again I refer you to the well known history of american interferences). However we did check that information and it yielded nothing. These are statements of The Minister of Public Order. (the one noone wants you to hear about and about what he has to say).
I wonder what the CIA really wanted to accomplish by that list... ( a base for more slander perhaps?)

that you allow reasonable laws to pass that would might actually allow the police to do thier job,

The laws are adequate INMO. If you ask us to toughen them up we would have to lose civil liberties. No can do. The problem is not so dire as to require a.. martial law

**MarkG** · January 9, 2002, 15:22

paiktis admit it! the junta would have goten 17N...

dino, is it really so much to ask for the other side to be heard in such reports? or are you too not discussing cbs' editorial policies?

**Bereta_Eder** · January 9, 2002, 16:23

Originally posted by MarkG
paiktis admit it! the junta would have goten 17N...

Hehe, yeah and make it parade the streets in ancient tivenus! (you know that, amongst other things, the dictators made soldiers in parades wear ancient greek garments don't you?

)
Talking about loonie cases!

BTW, yes 17N started operating after the collapse of the Junta of course. But is closely associated with it. Were there no Junta, there wouldn't be any 17N.

Oh, expect another nice, objective, and pluralist piece of journalistic excellence about 17N in the near future from NBC this time...

Would be fun too...

**MarkG** · January 9, 2002, 16:28

Originally posted by paiktis22
Were there no Junta, there wouldn't be any 17N.

actually, i think they would have found something else to "justify" their idiocy. they only used junta and the actual date of November 17th to get public support...

Oh, expect another nice, objective, and pluralist piece of journalistic excellence about 17N in the near future from NBC...

do you have inside information????

**DinoDoc** · January 9, 2002, 16:30

Originally posted by MarkG
or are you too not discussing cbs' editorial policies?

I don't believe that I have even mentioned CBS's editorial policies in either defense or otherwise except in passing. So, why should I defend a story I've never seen based solely on your biased description of it. Now if you would actually try to answer the question I addressed to you , I might be persuaded to answer yours in a more serious manner.

**Bereta_Eder** · January 9, 2002, 16:33

Originally posted by MarkG
actually, i think they would have found something else to "justify" their idiocy. they only used junta and the actual date of November 17th to get public support...

True. And it worked at that time! (for some)

do you have inside information????

I read it in To Vima by Papahelas

dino you haven't provided any evidence for what you say other than 17N hasn't been caught yet.

**MarkG** · January 9, 2002, 16:39

Originally posted by paiktis22
dino you haven't provided any evidence for what you say other than 17N hasn't been caught yet.

it's like elephants which can hide behind daisies

dino, there is nothing wrong with asking from a police force to do it's job. the subject of the thread though is the cbs report and the credibility of western media when dealing with the issue of terrorism in Greece. i'm sorry if i havent made that clear enough until now...

**DinoDoc** · January 9, 2002, 16:41

Originally posted by paiktis22
dino you haven't provided any evidence for what you say other than 17N hasn't been caught yet.

Is the BBC biased? The article by them posted by Spray seems to go along perfectly with what I've been saying. These accussations of bias are starting to grow tiresome given the fact that a) you have provided no evidence to prove the myriad of stories wrong & b) so many news agencies are providing the same information which calls in the Greek commitment/ability to see justice done.

**Bereta_Eder** · January 9, 2002, 16:45

Originally posted by MarkG
the credibility of western media when dealing with the issue of terrorism in Greece. i'm sorry if i havent made that clear enough until now...

Small correction. Not western media. US and (after Shaunder's kill) UK media bias. (Daily Telegraph is as funny as CBS for example

)

Most of the european media do not blow out of proportions this issue and they recognise the difficulty of the task.

**Bereta_Eder** · January 9, 2002, 16:46

Originally posted by DinoDoc

Is the BBC biased? The article by them posted by Spray seems to go along perfectly with what I've been saying. These accussations of bias are starting to grow tiresome given the fact that a) you have provided no evidence to prove the myriad of stories wrong & b) so many news agencies are providing the same information which calls in the Greek commitment/ability to see justice done.

BBC (which also stops being objective and turns yellow when brits are involved) also has not proof to offer.

**vlad** · January 9, 2002, 16:47

My take on the 60 Minutes story was really just a kick in Greece's head to get prepared for the olympics and keep everyone safe.

**Bereta_Eder** · January 9, 2002, 16:49

Originally posted by vlad
My take on the 60 Minutes story was really just a kick in Greece's head to get prepared for the olympics and keep everyone safe.

Wrong. We are used to such reports from the US. It has only bolstered anti-americanism. (and tried to intimidate our Prime Minister just 1 day before he met Bush to discuss things like Cyprus, precious US ally Turkey etc.. but sorry, it doesn't work that way).

I like that letter to BBC BTW:

We in Greece do not support this extremism. I am very sorry for your loss and the great loss for your daughters. However I do not understand why everyone connects this with the fact that the 2004 Olympics are hosted by Athens. Atlanta failed miserably in security during their Olympics. We believe this connection is made because America wants Greece to pay huge amounts of money and to allow a huge amount of agents to come to Greece and take over security during the Olympics. This will have huge implications over our sovereignty and will make I think this does great misjustice to a the memory of a noble man, your husband. (a Greek student in the UK)

or this

There is no link between Greek terrorist groups and sports. There is no recorded incident in the past to claim that. Instead somebody could state that terrorist actions and sports were present in other "more advanced countries" than Greece. Who could ever forget the bomb that exploded in a park in the 1996 Olympic Games in Atlanta, US or the terrorist actions in the Munich Olympic Games. Since then both countries applied and hosted some very significant sport venues without any hesitations. Instead of accusing Greece being dangerous and inhospitable country, we could focus on the violence problems in USA, where teenagers shoot their colleagues in schools.
Agapitos Hatzipetros

or this

Greece is a safe country. These particular terrorists are after politicians or people involved with politics. They have not caused the death of simple civilians as IRA, for example has. So, the Olympic games CAN be safe in Greece as they were in Spain with the ETA, or in England with IRA or in France with Islamic groups or in America with 13 years-old kids killing people with gun machines. Finally, I would like to ask if the British would be interested about 17N if a British diplomat hadn¿t been killed. I¿m not trying to justify what 17N has done but I just want to make the point that 17N is irrelevant with the safety of the country, and with the safety of the Olympic games.
Evanthiav Spanidou
Essex

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