Creation "Science" And The Flood of Noah.

[Zealot]

Just one thing guys.
Is there any way I can access a Bible in english (on the Internet)? Because there's no way I can successfully translate those names, and quote properly from the Bible, because I don't have a Bible in english...

[KrazyHorse]

http://bible.gospelcom.net/cgi-bin/bible?version=KJV&passage=all&language=english

Here you go. This is King James version (fairly standard English version).

If you want another version, or want to do a search for a phrase/word, then here's the main page.

http://bible.gospelcom.net/cgi-bin/bible?language=english

[KrazyHorse]

Are we saved through faith or works?

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Not of works, lest any man should boast

Ephesians 2: 8, 9

Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only

James 2: 24

My 8th grade Religion teacher became quite upset when I hounded him on this one.

[Zealot]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
James 2: 24

My 8th grade Religion teacher became quite upset when I hounded him on this one.

Why?

And thanks for the links, KH. I'll check them out.

[Fiera]

KH, you haven't come out with anything really new.

I'm sure you're aware most of the arguments between catholics and protestants come from this issue (from grace or works salvation).

[CB2034]

Originally posted by Adam Smith
The world's most widely published book was first published in 1966. I have two copies, which I purchased, and I have actually read it.

Is this book copyrighted or non-copyrighted

[Robert]

Now that they have been posted, just about everyone ignores them. Funny huh?

oh well, in other threads I'm still waiting for reactions from you.........
but you're right, when I bigmouth at you, I should react now as well.

I will. just gimme some time.

[Bosh]

"Luke dates back to Adam. Matthew only goes back to David."
Yup, but I don't see how that makes a difference.


"Besides that does the greek / hebrew thing still make sence."
Perhaps for one or two names but not the whole thing. Anything the Nathal/Solomon thingie can't be explained that way since they're both Hebrew names and DEFINATELY different people.

"And there is the explanation that one of them doesn't explain David's line, but Maria's line, and that both Joseph and Maria are children from David."
And that there was then a copying error/interpolation that changed the Mary in one book to Joseph in another? Fair enough and quite possible. However if you're willing to use this kind of argument for every contradiction that pops up it would be impossible to prove that the Bible was contradictory even if it really was right down to the origonal documents.

"besides that, when will you continue our official debate on infidels ?"
I'll do it right now. Sorry about the long haitus. I was busy with finals and then I just got lazy

[November Adam]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
Are we saved through faith or works?

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Not of works, lest any man should boast

Ephesians 2: 8, 9

Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only

James 2: 24

My 8th grade Religion teacher became quite upset when I hounded him on this one.

This isn't new KH.... if one has faith then one will perform the works. Without faith works are pointless, but faith without works is dead. Faith is like a fruit bearing tree, and the fruit are the works.

Your 8th Grade teacher either needs to learn patience, or you needed to listen to him.

[KrazyHorse]

I know it isn't new, but the second passage completely repudiates your interpretation, NA.

It doesn't say simply that good men will perform good works; it says that good works "count" in addition to a man's faith. Please find an interpretation that makes both passages true.

This is serious, because it is not only a disagreement on temporal, but also on spiritual matters.

[November Adam]

I have to look into this... does "justified" mean "saved" though? Two different words, possibly different contexts.

[Dauphin]

Edit - Same thought as NA.

[Adam Smith]

Is it small and red?

Very good, KH

CB2034:

Is this book copyrighted or non-copyrighted

One would think that it would be copyrighted, but I can see no evidence of that in either of the copies I have.

[November Adam]

Your not talking Mr. Marx's document are you? Would that really be considered a book?

[KrazyHorse]

Umm...

Try Mao, NA. He's the one with the little red book from 1966.