Creation "Science" And The Flood of Noah.

[faded glory]

I cant hold you to that. There is no proof that Jesus rose from the dead. Only accounts, a missing body, a re-appearance only to ascend to heaban, and roman soldiers who where guarding the tomb who fell asleep and awoke to find jesus missing.

But it is said that he rose...thats all that matters.

So I end this conversation here

[rev]

Adam and even

I think Adam's gay lover Steve might be a little angry.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by phoenixcager
Just wondering....

Apparantly the Chinese character for 'boat' looks like a combination of the characters for 'vessel', 'eight' and 'mouth', which could mean "eight people in a boat".....a coded message about the flood?

There are also Chinese versions of flood myths. Here is a partial list of them.

The character for "vessel" was used for all water crafts (with perhaps the exception of rafts). An early reference from Confucius is:

Water can keep a boat afloat, but water can also capside a boat

Here water is an allegory for the people, and boat for a government.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by faded glory
I cant hold you to that. There is no proof that Jesus rose from the dead. Only accounts, a missing body, a re-appearance only to ascend to heaban, and roman soldiers who where guarding the tomb who fell asleep and awoke to find jesus missing.

But it is said that he rose...thats all that matters.

So I end this conversation here

Speaking of which, there are large numbers of contradictions among the different accounts of events during the crucifixion and the Resurrection.

[CB2034]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger


Speaking of which, there are large numbers of contradictions among the different accounts of events during the crucifixion and the Resurrection.

I have heard this before and that the Bible is full of contradictions. Please give some examples. No one that I have met has ever been able to do this, I feel pretty certain that you will not be able to as well.
Most people I know will admit that the Bible is probably the best Historical Reference that we have, I've even heard this on TLC(The Learning Channel, not TLC of Michael Jackson fame), and from family, friends, and co-workers.
Also on a lighter note, The Guiness Book of World Records list the Bible as having sold more copies then any other book. Does anybody know which book is second behind the Bible?

[Saint Marcus]

So there are no creationists in Europe

One or two, but creation science doesn't exist here cause it isn't sience. duh. In the US it is tought at schools....in Holland it is required by law to teach Evolution and I believe there is no school here that teaches creation science as a scientific field.

And a flood may or may not have happened. Though that's something for meteologist and geologists to find out. If there is prove it happened, that does not mean God created it. We aren't stuck in the middle ages...

And yes, there is some historical truth in the bible. However, that stuff is better thought in theology than in creation "science". Theology is a science, but takes a whole different angle on biblical events.

science
theology
creation science

[Saint Marcus]

Does anybody know which book is second behind the Bible?

Lord of the Rings.

[faded glory]

I think the 2nd most bought book in history is without a doubt either

1)Dracula
2)Mien Kampf


I think ide be inclined to think it was dracula..I could be wrong however...


Ya the bible, atleast the old testament, is full of contradictions. But the story of Adam and Eve is symbolic.....meaning it represents somthing else. Some think it represents the story of the people of Atlantis...which is later elaborated on in Genesis.


However......Moses was a true man. And now, archaelogists, after years of argueing. Have found semetic graffitti writing in the stone mines of Eygpt. So they are inclined to believe that most of what is said about Moses is true..dunno about bread dropping from heavon. But the bird's dont sound so far fetched. the 7 plagues have been Confirmed to be the Santorini Volcanic explosion in 1500 B.C...and the parting of the sea is still unexplained. They did however.....find what they believe to be the mountain of god (where moses got the ten commandmants) and its not mount Sinai.

[Saint Marcus]

Sometimes, your just funny. Other times I am concerned that you actually think this way. Are generalizations all your good at?

Generalisations are exagurations of some basic truths. My real opinions are a lot more balanced than the trolls I post here. Still people react every single time.

And I'm sure you've heard the "Only in America" lines before.

I think the 2nd most bought book in history is without a doubt either

It's LotR.

[CB2034]

Originally posted by Mark L


Lord of the Rings.

That is a great guess, and Im sure its close, however, my source (The Guiness Book of World Records) indicates its another book. Im not sure if I should post what it is or not, or yet you guys try again. I think Ill wait till tomorrow, Ill be at work AGAIN and Im sure Ill have nothing to do.

[KrazyHorse]

IIRC Guiness is itself the second most-purchased book in the world.

[SnowFire]

In the US it is tought at schools....

And you're a real expert, thanks. You know, I thought I was taught a standard scientific Biology course in high school, but thanks for clearing me up that I was actually taught creation science without knowing it.

If you don't know a fact, don't just make something up.

As for the second most sold book, there is no way in heck it is Dracula or Mein Kampf or Tolkien. You have to think about something that is going to be in most literate households throughout history. The Bible certainly applies. 2nd place is a looooooooong way back, and I've seen several answers for it, everything from Dr. Spock's guide to Baby Care to Mao's Little Red Book.

As for the ressurrection, even if you don't think it probable on the obvious grounds (how could somebody come back to life?), you have to admit that this ressurection story is more unusual than most myths. For starters, if you're going to make up a myth in the ancient world and want to give it some credibility, you don't say that women were the people to find the empty tomb, see Jesus, etc. Why did they claim that? (aside from it possibly being true, of course). Another thing is, when Jesus appears to some of the disciples, they don't recognize them for some reason. Now it is known that grief-stricken people will sometimes see apparations of departed loved ones, but that's because they really want to see them and never have any trouble recognizing them. The fact that it wasn't obviously Jesus suggests that it wasn't just a hallucination of what they wanted to think. Lastly, most Messianic cults generally found a new Messiah when they one they thought was the Messiah died. Peter & James crowd didn't simply find a new Messiah, despite the fact that their old one was allegedly rotting in the ground. Why? If he really was dead & powerless, then he didn't strike a very imposing figure to recruit people.

None of this alone is proof. In fact, all of it together isn't proof either. It does however add a lot of suspicion and circumstantial evidence that something weird did happen back then in AD 32 or whenever...

[connorkimbro]

I have heard this before and that the Bible is full of contradictions. Please give some examples. No one that I have met has ever been able to do this, I feel pretty certain that you will not be able to as well.

Actually, I can. ( give you some bible contradictions. )

In Matthew 1:16, the father of Joseph(mary's husband) is listed as Jacob.
In Luke 3:23, the father of Joseph(mary's husband) is listed as Heli.

[Saint Marcus]

And you're a real expert, thanks. You know, I thought I was taught a standard scientific Biology course in high school, but thanks for clearing me up that I was actually taught creation science without knowing it.

Not all schools, but there are plenty of schools were creation science is still being taught. I know several people from the US who actually had it in school.


I looked the books up:

best selling books:

Bible
Koran
Guinness book of world records

[Saint Marcus]

best sold works of fiction:

several conflicting accounts. Both LotR and Dracula are good contenders. I have both