How would you conquer the U.S.

[David Floyd]

Oh, and starving canada doesn't work if the Russians are willing to airlift food over the pole.

Actually, even our urban strip of land produces food in sufficient quantity to feed itself. No grains, but plenty of meat, eggs, milk, fruit&vegetables.

Russians airlifted Canada food over the pole

As to the other, I was not really aware of that, however, I would point out that my original point stands. The defeat of the Canadian military - easily accomplished - and the subsequent occupation of Greenland - also easily done - prevent any world alliance from either invading the US East Coast or landing in Canada.

Finally, I'd like to point out that the US and Canada are major suppliers of grain to various nations - nations against the US. When the US stops shipping grain, and Canada is unable to ship grain, how are these people getting grain? Argentina wouldn't be a viable source either, as we can simply close the Atlantic. Australia is a possibility, as is the Ukraine, but those are the last two remaining LARGE grain producers in the world that I'm aware of.

[KrazyHorse]

I was afraid you wouldn't get the sarcasm so I added a smilie.

What's the problem? It's only 8000 miles or so....

[David Floyd]

The problem? Lack of working transport planes in sufficient numbers to feed a nation the size of Canada

[Dimorier Maximus]

It seems that a lot of people who think the US could be conquered assume that we would just sit back and watch the invasion. Ha! If your country is moving its armed forces from point A to B...you can bet we already know about it. We would attack you before you attacked us. And if you did manage to get through, and conquer us...goodbye world. We can nuke the world at least 2 times over. Cya!

[KrazyHorse]

The problem? Lack of working transport planes in sufficient numbers to feed a nation the size of Canada

Repeat after me: S....a.....rrr....cccc.....aaaaa.....sssss...mmmmm

[David Floyd]

Repeat after me: Plaaayyy....innnngggg Alllll.....oooonnnnggggg

[KrazyHorse]

That's one too many layers of subtlety for me.

[The Eliminator]

Ah-ha! You Yanks are so quick to forget your history! it wasn't just a few years ago - I believe around 1995 - 98 that Canada almost conquered the entire continental US!

The spread of the Canadian Football League into Baltimore, Texas, California, and Nevada almost spelled the end of you American hucksters. Somehow, somehow.. you figured out a way to thwart our advances; but mark my words... the CFL shall return!

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Anyhoo.. occupation in our time is impossible - unless you are France. We have come too far in the last 50 years, the underground forces in North America would be immense, and would put up a hell of a fight. The enemy would have to raze all cities, or their forces would be completely decimated.

On a side note, ain't the French cowards? How do they live knowing about their Vichy history? How embarassing! And that was less than 60 years ago!

[David Floyd]

Eliminator, I agree occupation of Canada would be stupid. But the destruction of the Canadian Army and Air Force would be a relatively simplistic manner. Then just beef up the border guard a bit on the US-Canadian border, establish a few no-fly zones and enforce them, and bingo Canada poses no threat in the US vs. World war.

[The Eliminator]

David, all you guys would have to do is look at our armed forces and you'd destroy them. I am so incredibly embarassed by the Canadian military; all I can do is live vicariously through you guys and the Brits.

I think only 22 of our CF-18's are operational, and the most modern equipment on them is radar from 1986. During Kosovo, the Americans wouldn't fly with us because we didn't (and still don't) have the proper encryption for radio transmissions.

What makes it worse is that Canada is the only nation in the world that borders 3 oceans. Do you have any idea how crappy our navy is? We have 3 subs - one for each ocean, I guess.. - and they are all second hand diesel ones from England, circa 1960.

I think it would be nice if Canada could pull their own weight in international conflicts, I think the problem is that our big brother and our Mom take care of all of the problems. They should force Canada to upgrade their military on a massive scale.

[David Floyd]

Hehe, well thank you for the backup for my analysis on the US vs. world conflict - I think (hope) that even MarkL will admit that without Canada his scenario for an invasion of the US is hopeless.

[MORON]

Just send in the space marines

[KrazyHorse]

I think it would be nice if Canada could pull their own weight in international conflicts, I think the problem is that our big brother and our Mom take care of all of the problems. They should force Canada to upgrade their military on a massive scale

Too expensive. I want my tax money going to health care/education/roads/social insurance etc. All that boring essential stuff. Not high-priced toys. We aren't going to be allowed to take an independent tack no matter what, so why should we pay for somebody else's foreign policy?

[Saint Marcus]

Just a short reply, the rest will follow later.

V/STOL carriers carrying about 12 Harriers apiece

The total of Harriers on VSTOL Carriers is 2 to 3 times as high.

You don't take a place like Chicago, you've got all sorts of madness raining down on you, not to mention the industrial capacity you fail to take out.

You don't have to take a city to take out it's industrial capacity.

Even then, though, you still couldn't base that many fighters off of Iceland.

Iceland has many military facilities, especcially for aircraft. These aren't for the Icelandic military (which doesn't really exist) but for foreign (read NATO) forces. It was a key location back in the Cold War, and NATO realised that. The island can certain support quite a number of aircraft.

Maybe if you use your ENTIRE navy, you could secure Iceland. Maybe.

Considering the combined EU navy is about 20% bigger than that of the US, I find this rather hard to believe, since the US has to fight on two fronts.

All you have in Europe and Russia are basically a bunch of destroyers and frigates, with a coupla guided missile cruisers

What happened to the subs?

But while you are occupying Iceland, the US is occupying Greenland.

Oh yeah, while the US is surrounded by enemies they go off invading Greenland, which is miles away and right in between Canadian and European forces.

And who needs to occupy Iceland? They are basically our allies.


I'll post more later. Just three last things for now.

A. Nobody takes into account the number of people/troops the US has. They will run out quite quickly. The US has only about 270 million people. The Rest of the World has about 6 billion. The US will run out of (experienced) troops quite quickly.

B. Oil. The US quite simple doesn't have enough oil to keep it's war effort going. It will have to import, and nobody is going to give that oil to the US.

C. Global economy. Without access to foreign markets (for both imports and exports) the US economy will collapse within weeks. Other countries will suffer a lot too, but still far less since relatively (that means, in %) the US trades more with the ROW than the ROW with the US.

Nice technology, but not enough oil and people. In a war for nutricion, the US will loose. 6 billion vs 270 million....and expecting the 270 million to win? Get real!

[Ted Striker]

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