Traitor American Caught Fighting for Jello-Back Taliban

[MOBIUS]

Originally posted by Ted Striker
I have heard he supported the attack on the USS Cole, although I haven't been able to verify the claim.

Well, technically the USS Cole is a legitimate target as it is a military vessel...

He has confirmed that he DOES support the 9-11 attacks.

Well Al-Qaeda were at war (Jihad) with the US, as the Taliban are now too...

They seem to have decided that the easiest way to attack the US is to attack 'soft' targets, I guess they figured nothing else seems to have stopped US 'incursions' into the ME so they have become increasingly violent and indiscriminate in their actions to stop the US interfering in ME politics...

The British and the US both bombed the soft and overwhelmingly civilian targets of Dresden and Hiroshima in an effort to shorten the war and 'save lives'...

All I am saying is that I would condemn a supporter of the Hiroshima or Dresden attacks just as much as a supporter of the WTC attack - both have understandable goals, it's just their methods that are abhorant!

[Ted Striker]

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[Solly]

*puts on helmet and sits back*

[Dis]

I know my opinion is not welcome here, but I don't give a f*ck.

WTC attacks did have a purpose other than killing people. It was intended to cripple the american economy. While it failed, it did put us in a recession. Although we are already starting to pull out of that recession- our economy is more solid than I thought. Go USA!!!

[Lefty Scaevola]

Originally posted by MOBIUS
Well, technically the USS Cole is a legitimate target as it is a military vessel...

But non goverments, such as Al Quaeda, commit a crime, piracy, anytime they attempt to wage war.

[Berzerker]

Lefty -

Wrong, wrong, and wrong, you amateur lawyers get tedious after a while

As opposed to the guy who produced this gem?

We do not even not foreigners that were plenaty of USA Personel when he was pulled out of the basement, beside the millions who have seen his owm statement of TV, were corraberat much of what is neeeded.

Btw, are you a professional lawyer or just an amateur? If neither, spare me your hypocrisy - you've criticized me for expressing an opinion when you are also expressing an opinion.

particularly the one who think their is a huge legal significance to a declaration of war.

The Framers/Founding Fathers wrote the Constitution, not me; and they appear to have made a distinction between a declaration of war and no declaration of war.

Waging war does not include declaration of war as a necessary element (12/8/41 no declaration pf war against Japan, a resolution that war had existed since the time of Pearl Harbor attack, rather than from the time the Japanese note {itself not even a D O W} was delievered, and authorizing the president all war powers).

Like I said before, actions taken since the Constitution's ratification do not automatically have a constitutional endorsement. According to my sources, the Congress declared war on Japan on the 8th followed by declarations of war on Germany and Italy after they declared war on the US. If this was only a "resolution" then it was not a declaration. Why do you suppose this word "resolution" has replaced the word "declaration"?

In the US declaration of war is primarily an internal power balancing matter not creating a state of war with the emeny (which has most commonly occurs when hotilities were begun, ala 12/7/41 or 9/11/01)

Excuse me? A declaration of war does not create a state of war with an enemy? Only if we are attacked first or if we are launching a sneak attack ourselves.

the declaration is a formal grant of additional war powers to the president by the congress.

A declaration of war does that as well as inform another power we are in a state of war. That was why Americans were especially outraged by Pearl harbor, because it preceded a declaration of war.

Another poster is coreect in saying that legally a war powers declaration does all that a D O W does.

The "War Powers Act" is not in the Constitution. Congress MUST declare war before the President has these powers.

A state of war has existed since hotilities began 9/11 for most legal purposes, other than the formal of additional "war powers" to the president which occured with the congrssional act.

A state of war with whom? Terrorists? Where in that "resolution" is Afghanistan even mentioned except by the vague "any state that harbors terrorists"?
And why did the Congress pass a "resolution" instead of a declaration of war?

Waging war against the USA, in this particular instance, would be doing or assisting any act of hostilities aginst the USA or it forces abroad.

Did he? He was part of a force engaged in war against the NA.

Merely remaining in with the forces of some entity we are egaged in open hotilities with, the Taliban, would likely be enough of a res.

When did the Congress declare war on the Taliban? They "resolved" to let the President pick the powers we would be at war with, that is unconstitutional.

The Rosenbergs were not prosecuted for treason not because of the lack of delcaration, but because we were not engage in open hostilities with the forces they were helping.

Open hostilities that would have required a declaration of war. That is why they were charged with sedition instead of treason.

Constantly repeating amateur bull**** about some majic of a D O W, does not change it from being amateur BS.

And calling opposing arguments BS and amateur is childish.

Most especially stupid is the misconception that that there is a special formula of words that congress must use to declare war.

The USA DECLARES WAR on (fill in the blank), real stupid.

Congress has plenary power over D O W, if they say it is war, it is war, regardless of how they worded the resolution.

Where in the Constitution did you find this power to pass "resolutions" authorizing the President to declare war on whomever he wants? If you can't answer without insults, DON'T ******* ANSWER!

[The Mad Monk]

More Info:

‘If He Wants to Die, He’s Going to Die Here’


Captured: Walker is now behind held in an undislcosed location by U.S. forces

EXCLUSIVE: Just hours before his death, CIA agent Mike Spann interviewed John Walker, the American Taliban. Here is an excerpt from that videotaped interview

By Colin Soloway
NEWSWEEK WEB EXCLUSIVE



Dec. 6 — Last week, just hours before Taliban and Al Qaeda prisoners began their uprising at the Northern Afghan fortress of Kala Jangi, CIA agents interviewed John Walker, the 20-year-old American from northern California, NEWSWEEK has learned. The interrogation, which took place shortly before one of the agents was killed, was videotaped by an Afghan cameraman.

THE TAPE REPRESENTS the first evidence that the CIA knew that there was an American, or at least a Westerner among the hundreds of prisoners. It also demonstrates that Walker came into contact with the U.S. agents; last week, he told NEWSWEEK that he had only “seen” the two agents.
On the tape, which was reviewed by NEWSWEEK this week, it is a bright Sunday morning in Kala Jangi. Dozens of prisoners have been taken out of the prison and placed outside, near the center of the compound. Waiting for them are the Americans, Johnny “Mike” Spann, and another CIA agent known only as Dave. Spann is wearing blue jeans and a black jumper. A Kalashnikov is strapped across his back. Dave is dressed in a black tunic that reaches below his knees, with tan trousers beneath.
Tale of an American Taliban


CIA agent Johnny "Mike" Spann in an undated family photo
Early in the tape Dave is seen interrogating a Kyrgyzstani prisoner in Russian. Then, Walker, known inside the prison by his Muslim name, Abdul Hamid, is brought over to a blanket covering bare earth. His elbows are tied behind his back. He is pushed down and kneels on the blanket, his head bowed, his long hair obscuring his face. He is wearing loose black trousers and a black tunic that reaches to his calves.
Here is an excerpt from the videotaped interrogation:

An Afghan Voice: What do you speak? Irish, Pakistani?


No response. Spann squats down on the edge of the blanket, facing Walker.

Spann: What’s your name? Hey. [He snaps his fingers twice in front of Walker’s face. Walker is unresponsive]

Spann: Who brought you here? Wake up! Who brought you here? How did you get here? Hello?

Later, Dave walks up. Spann and Dave speak to one another, within a few feet of Walker, loudly enough for the prisoner to hear them.

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German television image of the CIA agent identified as "Dave"


Spann [to Dave]: I explained to him what the deal is.
Spann [to Walker]: It’s up to you.

Dave [to Spann]: The problem is, he’s got to decide if he wants to live or die. If he wants to die, he’s going to die here. Or he’s going to f—cking spend the rest of his short f—cking life in prison. It’s his decision, man. We can only help the guys who want to talk to us. We can only get the Red Cross to help so many guys.

Later ...

Spann [to Walker]: They [the Sept. 11 hijackers] killed other Muslims. There were several hundred other Muslims killed in the bombing. Are you going to talk to us?

Walker does not respond

Dave [to Spann]: This guy got his chance. He got his chance.

Spann and Dave stand and talk to each other. Both look frustrated. Spann stands with his hands on his hips, and Dave kicks up some dust with his boot. Spann kneels on the blanket and takes aim with a digital camera.

Spann [to Walker]: Push your hair back. Push your hair back.

An Afghan soldier pulls Walker’s hair back and holds his head up for the picture. Walker is then pulled to his feet by an Afghan guard, and taken back to the group of prisoners sitting on the earth in the compound.

Shortly after this footage was shot, prisoners emerging from the fortress, rushed the guards, throwing grenades and grabbing their captors’ rifles. It was the beginning of the battle of Kala Jangi. Spann was killed in the early stages of the uprising, and Dave reportedly was extracted from the compound by U.S. and British special forces.

Link:

http://www.msnbc.com/news/668588.asp

[Sikander]

Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
Do you think he's related to the Captain Walker who went to Central America in the early 19th century to set up his own kingdom?

Captain Walker Didn't come home His unborn child, Will never know him.

Believe him missing With a number of men, Don't expect To see him again.

That Captain Walker?