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  • #136
    Creationism is pseudo-science. It makes no predictions, it assumes things without a basis to do so, and many of it's assumptions have been proven wrong.

    For a good view on Darwinism from a non-strictly-biological point of view I recommend reading "Darwin's Dangerous Idea" by Daniel C. Dennett. Brilliant book.
    Quod Me Nutrit Me Destruit

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    • #137
      Originally posted by Urban Ranger
      IIRC, GR was devised because Einstein was unsatisfied that certain obervations, such as the wobbling in Mercury's orbit, that can't be explained by SR.

      Sure, the observation of gravational lenes was a direct evidence for GR, but a theory that explains existing observations better (such as SR vs Newtonian Mechanics) can be construed as evidence for that theory.
      The perihelion motion of Mercury could just as easily have been explained by a planet. Indeed it was called Vulcan. The belief at the time was that as the planet Vulcan was so close to the sun it could not be seen without blinding yourself, and luminosity variations would yield no discernable proof. If it were not for GR then this belief would have persisted.

      The theory of GR was an extension of the thought experiments performed by Einstein. At no point until the 1960s were experiments refined enough to demonstrate GR was "accurate" with its predictions. It was only accepted because the mathematics and the logic was "sound", and Newtonian mechanics had to be replaced due to the evidence of QM and SR. i.e Newton was wrong, but by no means was GR right.

      If you want a modern example, take string theory. There is no direct evidence but it is widely accepted as a correct working theory.
      One day Canada will rule the world, and then we'll all be sorry.

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      • #138
        Many scientists are backing away from the String theory now. Apparantly it wasn't as good as they hoped it would be, so they are busily working on a replacement.

        Same goes for the many-worlds-theory.
        Quod Me Nutrit Me Destruit

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        • #139
          Originally posted by Mark L
          Many scientists are backing away from the String theory now. Apparantly it wasn't as good as they hoped it would be, so they are busily working on a replacement.
          It more accurately had been "put on ice" for purely mathematical reasons. They had "equations" that they couldn't solve as they lacked the required mathematical "tools".

          It is more alive now than 10 years ago.
          One day Canada will rule the world, and then we'll all be sorry.

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          • #140
            Also, although creation cannot be proven wrong - it could be proven right. God could descend with His Host of Angles tomorrow morning, and then we would all know for sure.
            That won't happen because I am almost never wrong when it comes to religion.

            And when I make that statement I would see that most people at apolyton probably would side with me, but not when I make that statement about the war in Afghanistan or Dubya (Whom I appreciate).

            Creationism was kicked out of 95% (5% located in redneck Kansas, etc) of the public schools in the US because it wasn't proven and had not one fact. That was in the early 1900s. William Jennings Bryan, a creationist nut, failed to prove his point because he had nothing. He also ran for president like four times and failed. Though he won the case in 1925 against a teacher who was teaching evolution, he died five days after the trial was finished, and the whole thing damaged the fundamentalist cause. In the following years, evolution was accepted as it has facts. Don't get me wrong folks, people who believe in creation are at least 70 years behind the times.
            For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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            • #141
              Originally posted by Giancarlo
              That won't happen because I am almost never wrong when it comes to religion.
              I'm agnostic, and I really think it's arrogant for people to make comments like that.
              "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
              Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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              • #142
                One nice tidbit: Creation science is still tought in some US schools, but in no European schools. In fact, In Holland evolution is a required subject you have to study if you want to pass your finals. Why is the US so backwards in this?
                Quod Me Nutrit Me Destruit

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                • #143
                  Originally posted by Asher

                  I'm agnostic, and I really think it's arrogant for people to make comments like that.
                  As I said some people would side with me, if not most... but a few won't. Asher, I don't think we shouldn't talk anymore, it could bring up disputes, discuss this over icq, I got a new password which I have written down. So it is secure.

                  Anyways, back on topic.
                  For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                  • #144
                    Originally posted by Mark L
                    One nice tidbit: Creation science is still tought in some US schools, but in no European schools. In fact, In Holland evolution is a required subject you have to study if you want to pass your finals. Why is the US so backwards in this?
                    Evolution is taught in almost every public school in the US as it is required for Science Classes. But the only place you are talking about Mark, is the redneck ally throughout Kansas and so forth. Even there evolution is starting to push out creation in these areas, it is taking time though because of the stupidity of the previous generation. (Refering to Kansas and those few places where they still do teach creation.)

                    Anyways, almost all schools are teaching evolution.
                    For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                    • #145
                      Originally posted by Giancarlo
                      As I said some people would side with me, if not most... but a few won't
                      Does it really matter how many people do or do not believe a certain theory. Even if the majority of people believed the Earth was flat and located on the back of a giant turtle would it make it right?
                      One day Canada will rule the world, and then we'll all be sorry.

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                      • #146
                        Originally posted by Big Crunch


                        Does it really matter how many people do or do not believe a certain theory. Even if the majority of people believed the Earth was flat and located on the back of a giant turtle would it make it right?
                        Are you saying evolution is stupid?

                        Creation is wrong. Geocentrism and a flat earth was proven wrong, they are elements of the bible.
                        For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                        • #147
                          Originally posted by Giancarlo
                          I got a new password which I have written down. So it is secure.
                          If you wrote down your password it is anything but secure.
                          "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                          Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                          • #148
                            Originally posted by Asher

                            If you wrote down your password it is anything but secure.
                            The paper won't fly out of my pocket, and it is all numbers.
                            For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                            • #149
                              Originally posted by Giancarlo
                              Are you saying evolution is stupid?
                              No, I am saying that people can be.
                              One day Canada will rule the world, and then we'll all be sorry.

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                              • #150
                                Originally posted by Big Crunch


                                No, I am saying that people can be.
                                Maybe I was too harsh in what I say about not being wrong. But creationism was dealt a massive blow on 1925 when it was revealed to be a farce. Evolution, in my perspective is supported by evidence.
                                For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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