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  • #46
    You also have no right to say my opinion is wrong without considering it.
    Cause you don't have one. You say you're against, but you don't say why. Besides lame claims that Sadam will clone himself. And about your education...you're not even in University, so how high can your education be? And how can you possibly know more than people with a degree in that field?

    It's very clear that people will be able to genetically engineer their children in the coming future. You don't think they won't give them excellent eye sight, better stamina, etc in a heart beat. Just from people wanting their children to succeed, the military will have an excellent pool of foot soldiers to choose from. Some sinister government won't have to do it, they can let the public do it.

    But why does everyone think they'll be mindless automotons, people aren't just their genes they are the sum of their experiences and unless we could somehow erase memories and implant others theres no reason to assume someone with the same genes as say Saddam will be and think just like Saddam.
    Good post, but very sci-fi. We are nowhere near that now in any form. That will take decades, if not centuries.

    PH: excelent post (as all your posts in this thread). Same goes for VG.
    Quod Me Nutrit Me Destruit

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    • #47
      leave Bush and all the scientists out of this.
      This whole thread is about Bush and scientists.
      Quod Me Nutrit Me Destruit

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      • #48
        BAM is unusually hilarious today.
        "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
        -Bokonon

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        • #49
          Originally posted by Ramo
          BAM is unusually hilarious today.
          So you are talking about yourself being hilarious, ramo? After all you are BAM.
          For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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          • #50
            Yep, you are my dl.
            "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
            -Bokonon

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            • #51
              Even if you cloned hitler.....he wouldnt be like the same hitler. He would be different. Maybe loving, caring, and humanitarian. All depends on how he would be raised

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              • #52
                Originally posted by faded glory
                Even if you cloned hitler.....he wouldnt be like the same hitler. He would be different. Maybe loving, caring, and humanitarian. All depends on how he would be raised
                But if you clone his brain... well, we haven't reached that yet. And he isn't buried anywhere, or is he?
                For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Giancarlo


                  But if you clone his brain... well, we haven't reached that yet. And he isn't buried anywhere, or is he?
                  Are you suggesting we make a zombie hitler?
                  Rethink Refuse Reduce Reuse

                  Do It Ourselves

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Osweld


                    Are you suggesting we make a zombie hitler?
                    Hello no.
                    For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                    • #55
                      cloning is immoral, as is creating life only to destroy it. bush made the right choice, there wasn't anything ignorant about it. although, he did prove that america has a much higher moral standard than the commie europeans who slaughter the young in an attempt to surpass us in technology and then brag about it as superior politics.

                      bush ethics
                      desperate, tech deprived eurocoms

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by Giancarlo


                        But if you clone his brain...
                        Widespread panic has broken out in Paris and several other French cities already
                        In een hoerekotje aan den overkant emmekik mijn bloem verloren,
                        In een hoerekotje aan den overkant bennekik mijn bloemeke kwijt

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by Giancarlo


                          But if you clone his brain... well, we haven't reached that yet. And he isn't buried anywhere, or is he?
                          Clone his brain? Gian, I know you mean well, you're trying to make your case, but you just don't know enough about cloning and biology etc. etc. etc. to be taken seriously on this topic, at least not when you say things like that. The brain is, like every other organ, a collection of cells. Organs themselves are not cloned; organs are grown from stem cells. Honestly, this is not something you should spend a lot of time worried about.
                          "My nation is the world, and my religion is to do good." --Thomas Paine
                          "The subject of onanism is inexhaustable." --Sigmund Freud

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                          • #58
                            Everyone:

                            I imagine some good will come from scientific advances achieved in this fashion. I also imagine that some darkness will come from it as well. That's human nature. The question is: Will more good than darkness be derived from going down this particular scientific path? After all, two nuclear weapons were used in war following the refinement of atomic theory into fissionable weapons. What might the equivalent be in this arena?

                            As for the Europe vs. America crappola, I find it somewhat amusing that societies which have a phobia for GM food seem to have no problem harvesting the human genome for the perceived greater good. Wasn't it just a few months or so ago that many European governments were singing the same tune as our government in terms of creating embryos for the express purpose of harvesting stem cells from? IOW, opposed to it?

                            It would be nice if we could achieve these long-sought scientific breakthroughs w/o having to create, and then destroy, embryos in order to do it. Something's amiss with that approach, and I suspect it's rooted in ethicism and morality.

                            CYBERAmazon
                            "I may not agree with what you have to say, but I'll die defending your right to say it." — Voltaire

                            "Wheresoever you go, go with all your heart." — Confucius

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                            • #59
                              Bad news about the US banning cloning. This will IMO hamper medical research.

                              Very good news about the European governments' openness to this technology. I must say I am pleasantly surprised.

                              Before Europe can gain a lead in biotech, though, we also have to allow genetically modified crops and get rid of those freakish animal rights activists, who seriously impede animal testing - especially in Britain.

                              Only once the above is accomplished will I be confident that Europe can pull ahead in biotech.
                              Rome rules

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                              • #60
                                PH and CA, how much will the restrictions affect US biotech research. How much of a percent impact on our companies? (in terms of lost discovery space).

                                [sarcastic comment] human vivisection would also be extremely useful for helping drug development.[/sarcastic comment]

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