Windows XP and the Microsoft agenda - can it get worse?

[Zopperoni]

He just posted his eloquent opinion...

[Provost Harrison]

He just arrived

[Asher]

I'm so tired of arguing with people who refuse to acknowledge some basic premises.

It's pointless to argue about it, rather.

Linux is good for servers and compsci students. Sucks ass for anyone else. Admit it.
MacOS is good for people who think the computer has little people inside it happily working away and thinking.
Windows is good for people who like to game, do office productivity stuff, and basically a good allaround desktop or workstation OS.

Say what you will, but you're not going to change my opinion on it.

Carry on.

[Wiglaf]

Linux is good for servers and compsci students. Sucks ass for anyone else. Admit it.

admit you're completely turning this arguement into something it originally wasn't intended to be, another OS war, in order to avoid answering a very direct and valid point on a completely different subject.

MacOS is good for people who think the computer has little people inside it happily working away and thinking.

[Yog-Sothoth]

Originally posted by Asher
I'm so tired of arguing with people who refuse to acknowledge some basic premises.

It's pointless to argue about it, rather.

Linux is good for servers and compsci students. Sucks ass for anyone else. Admit it.
MacOS is good for people who think the computer has little people inside it happily working away and thinking.
Windows is good for people who like to game, do office productivity stuff, and basically a good allaround desktop or workstation OS.

Say what you will, but you're not going to change my opinion on it.

Carry on.

This thread is about Microsofts business tactics, not about Win vs linuX or Win vs Mac. And I very much doubt that Korpo made this thread in an attempt to change your opinion about it

[Korpo]

Well, Asher, then you may confirm some of the following facts:

Windows is good for people who rather like buying new hardware because of OS upgrades. I never would have upgraded even to Win98, if I hadn´t to because of library incompabilities or discontinuation of certain products.

What office productivity can be done on Windows that cannot be done on a Linux client or a Mac as well?

And if MS Windows makes a good workstation, is an insecure (by default) workstation still a good workstation?




I myself keep Windows around only for the gaming, though for DOS classics this isn´t even an option anymore: A lot of games are no more supported by/ runnable under even Win98 SE version of DOS which were in Win95.. And the emulators under Linux are sometimes even better than original DOS.

Windows is carrying a lot of junk around because of compability reasons, but with every new version you will find a lot of stuff that won´t work any more, software, that does the job, but doesn´t work anymore. The other way round, you need to upgrade, or you cannot get new software, which is not backwards compatible.

This problem is entirely unknown on Linux/Unix systems, where you decide, if necessary, which library you link against, etc.

With evry new Windows version you don´t only need a hardware upgrade, but over time you will notice you will have to find new solutions to problems you have already solved over and over again, simply because MS discontinued support for libraries etc.

Besides: Most likely you had to pay for evry Windows program you scrap because of a version change... flush your money right away.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Yog-Sothoth
This thread is about Microsofts business tactics, not about Win vs linuX or Win vs Mac. And I very much doubt that Korpo made this thread in an attempt to change your opinion about it

Do you really believe that? Look at one of the first lines:

All those little Windows people are that glad: Oh, my Windows doesn´t crash all the time. An OS that doesn´t crash regularly is such a big feat? Ever heard of a well-administered Linux/Unix or an Apple iMac (out of the box).

He's obviously a Linux troll doing what Linux trolls do best: Bash the mainstream OS because the people who use it don't know any better.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Korpo
Well, Asher, then you may confirm some of the following facts:

Windows is good for people who rather like buying new hardware because of OS upgrades. I never would have upgraded even to Win98, if I hadn´t to because of library incompabilities or discontinuation of certain products.

What office productivity can be done on Windows that cannot be done on a Linux client or a Mac as well?

And if MS Windows makes a good workstation, is an insecure (by default) workstation still a good workstation?

How is Windows, as a workstation, insecure?
As for Office Productivity on Linux: Does StarOffice have Wordcount yet? 'Nuff said.

This problem is entirely unknown on Linux/Unix systems, where you decide, if necessary, which library you link against, etc.

Yeah, see, that there is the problem. I don't want to play around with figuring out which library to link programs against.
I'm lazy, I want the thing to work when I download it.
I don't want to compile it, set the right libraries to link it to, then muck around with setting it up so it'd be a global binary. Way too much work, way too little advantages.

With evry new Windows version you don´t only need a hardware upgrade, but over time you will notice you will have to find new solutions to problems you have already solved over and over again, simply because MS discontinued support for libraries etc.

Such is life when you have innovation and new technology.
Why should MS support DOS games? If you want to play DOS games, use it on a DOS computer. No need to use all of that overhead for 99.9% of people who don't play DOS games anymore.

Besides: Most likely you had to pay for evry Windows program you scrap because of a version change... flush your money right away.

You get what you pay for.

[Yog-Sothoth]

Originally posted by Asher


Do you really believe that?

Yes, I really beliveve that this thread isn't about you

He's obviously a Linux troll doing what Linux trolls do best: Bash the mainstream OS because the people who use it don't know any better.

So you're saying people use windows because they don't know any better?

[Asher]

Originally posted by Yog-Sothoth
Yes, I really beliveve that this thread isn't about you

I never said it was about me, I was just making a simple comment implying that his comments fall on deaf ears.
Nobody is going to change their opinions based on what they read here, so why do we even bother?

So you're saying people use windows because they don't know any better?

I'll let it pass this time since English is probably not your native language, but my statement was made from the perspective of a Linux zealot.

[Yog-Sothoth]

Originally posted by Asher

How is Windows, as a workstation, insecure?
As for Office Productivity on Linux: Does StarOffice have Wordcount yet? 'Nuff said.

The word count function is in: File -> Properties, then in the dialog box. Look at Statistics.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Yog-Sothoth
The word count function is in: File -> Properties, then in the dialog box. Look at Statistics.

Glad to see they finally added it in.

So let's say I wanted to set up some macros so hitting CTRL-T sets the font size to 18, bolds it, underlines it, and centers it. How would I do that?

[Korpo]

I already stated I am partial.

Asher has some point in one thing, surely without intending it

You cannot merely discuss MS business practice. The technological, business and PR affairs are interwoven to a high degree (that´s the name of the game).

MS licence policy is affecting distribution of BeOS or Linux. MS services lock other browsers because of "technical reasons" (because they identified themselves as not being IE..)

MS is making a PR campaign calling Linux and the GPL "a cancer", or even funnier a statement "un-American", is stating Apache is unsecure (which every software product is to some extent) with clearly disproven statements, and with no comparison which product would be more secure.

MS is simply sabotaging other formats, OS or licenses. They are not coexisting or simply uninterested in them. They deny access to them.

All of this can and more can be done because MS has a monopoly, which nobody can deny. A lack of quality is remedied by pushing the rivals out of market, by extortion-like methods.

Besides, don´t call me troll, call me geek.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Korpo
MS is making a PR campaign calling Linux and the GPL "a cancer", or even funnier a statement "un-American", is stating Apache is unsecure (which every software product is to some extent) with clearly disproven statements, and with no comparison which product would be more secure.

Actually, those comments aren't as bad as Slashdot & Co made them out to be.
What MS said was the GPL was "cancerous" in nature, which it most certainly is. Sure, it has bad connotations, but that's one word to describe it.
And it is 'un-American'. Americans are cutthroat capitalists and don't take the "socialist" approach of the GPL.

MS is simply sabotaging other formats, OS or licenses. They are not coexisting or simply uninterested in them. They deny access to them.

Next can you please tell me the color of the sky? I'm confused.

Besides, don´t call me troll, call me geek.

I will give you this: I respect you a lot more than other people on these boards because you don't cave into the childish temptation to spell MS as M$.

[Yog-Sothoth]

Originally posted by Asher

I never said it was about me, I was just making a simple comment implying that his comments fall on deaf ears.
Nobody is going to change their opinions based on what they read here, so why do we even bother?

Well, people bother to discuss all sorts of stuff in the OT, so why not MS

I'll let it pass this time since English is probably not your native language, but my statement was made from the perspective of a Linux zealot.

Doh! It's getting late, and I'm tired

Originally posted by Asher
So let's say I wanted to set up some macros so hitting CTRL-T sets the font size to 18, bolds it, underlines it, and centers it. How would I do that?

I don't have a clue about macros, so don't ask me