Company fires all employees who smoke!

[Tuberski]

Originally posted by Asher
I still don't get your Markham comment...

It's about the farthest thing you can get from a hick town.

Half the town barely speaks English.

Ummm ever been to San Antonio?

No, it didn't go over my head.



ACK!

[Asher]

It's in the middle of Texas.

'nuff said.

[Japher]

I like San Antonio... es beuno... mui beuno... y lika'

sheiza!@

[Tuberski]

Originally posted by Asher
It's in the middle of Texas.

'nuff said.

Markham is in the middle of......nowhere.

ACK!

[Asher]

Originally posted by Tuberski
Markham is in the middle of......nowhere.

ACK!

It's a few minutes north of a small town named Toronto, and is part of the Greater Toronto Area...

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Asher
I know I sure as hell hate knowing I'm paying tons of money to pay for the health care of morons who still smoke in Canada.

Get off that high horse. You know damn well that smoker paid many, many, many times his health care costs in taxes. I'm not talking about the taxes everyone pays either I'm just talking about the sin taxes which smokers and drinkers have to pay.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Oerdin
Get off that high horse. You know damn well that smoker paid many, many, many times his health care costs in taxes. I'm not talking about the taxes everyone pays either I'm just talking about the sin taxes which smokers and drinkers have to pay.

According to studies linked in this very thread, the sin taxes aren't nearly enough.

We haven't even touched on the intangibles, such as the problem of waiting lists for treatment in Canada -- resources are being sucked up by smokers getting cancer, and it's not just money.

[Sprayber]

Originally posted by Ming
While nobody would argue that smoking is a good thing to do, "SOMEBODY" called smokers morons because of the COST to himself, which as the study points out, is probably not true...

They are morons because they fill their lungs full of smoke on purpose. That's all it takes to get put on the Moron List.....



to seeing smokers huddled around a tree out in the parking lot trying to get the fix.

[Ming]

Originally posted by Asher
According to studies linked in this very thread, the sin taxes aren't nearly enough.

Hmmm... here is what the study said...

The authors found that smokers’ costs to society are less than generally believed -- about $1.44 of the $40-per-pack total -- when costs to the smoker’s family are not included.

"The reason the number is low is that for private pensions, Social Security, and Medicare -- the biggest factors in calculating costs to society -- smoking actually saves money," Sloan said. "Smokers die at a younger age and don’t draw on the funds they’ve paid into those systems."

Using this figure, some economists might suggest that cigarette excise taxes in many states already are high enough to recover society’s portion of the cost of smoking.

So get your facts straight

[Imran Siddiqui]

Yep, smokers die much earlier, meaning we don't have to pay as much for them as we do for those that live to old age.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Ming
Hmmm... here is what the study said...

So get your facts straight

You tried to play that trick already. Post the entire context:

But when the combined costs to society and to other family members are considered ($6.88 per pack), one might conclude instead that excise taxes are far too low, Sloan said.

Given the high costs and adverse effects of smoking on individuals, it is "remarkable," the authors conclude, that funds from the 1998 settlement involving 46 state attorneys’ general and major tobacco manufacturers largely are not being spent on smoking-cessation or related programs. Many states are using the funds to cover budget deficits or, as in North Carolina, on economic development in tobacco communities

Also:

http://www.wmitchell.edu/tobaccolaw/resources/HealthCare.pdf

• Medical costs attributable to smoking comprise
6 to 9% of the total national healthcare budget.8
• Every pack of cigarettes sold creates more than
$7 in medical care expenses and lost productivity.3
• For every smoker who quits, $1,623 is saved
annually in healthcare costs alone.9
• Smokers tend to have more hospital admissions,
take longer to recover from illness and injury,
have higher outpatient healthcare costs, and
have lower birthweight babies

[Sprayber]

Damn I knew smokers were sensitive but after reading this thread they beat the hell out of any other group I know of.

[Ming]

I posted what was relevent...

Given the high costs and adverse effects of smoking on individuals, it is "remarkable," the authors conclude, that funds from the 1998 settlement involving 46 state attorneys’ general and major tobacco manufacturers largely are not being spent on smoking-cessation or related programs. Many states are using the funds to cover budget deficits or, as in North Carolina, on economic development in tobacco communities

The part I left out shows the states are getting the money, but it is THERE choice to spend it on something else... and are misusing the money. The point is that the states aren't spending the money they were given to attempt to set up programs to help people stop or not start in the first place.

[rah]

No, what this thread shows is the raw hatred of smokers by non-smokers. If the same hatred was shown towards their group, they complain. But it's ok to hate smokers because they choose to smoke. Pretty pathetic. It stopped being a choice many years ago. I've tried to quit many times. I would choose not to smoke, but it is a strong addiction and I have not been strong enough. Instead of showing sympathy, some choose hate. It's disgusting.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Ming
It's still discrimination... when people call gays stupid, disgusting, morons, and many other equally bad names, you are the first to jump on your high horse and scream discrimination and call people homophobes... but when you do it against smokers... it's ok and fair.

Right... you're a hypocrit, pure and simple. You are all for discrimination unless it's against you... while that might seem right and fair to you... it isn't!

You can try to justify it all you want... but it's still discrimination.

You know, most companies only hire people if they have certain qualifications, and if they aren't capable of doing the job, they get fired!!!

Not all discrimination is created equal. Discrimination = making a choice.