Company fires all employees who smoke!

[Agathon]

Man, this thread is a cluster****. Pity the poor gay smokers of the world. I still smoke, although it is getting a bit pricey and I will probably pack it in. I know it isn't very good for me, but I enjoy tobacco, it is an enjoyable substance to abuse. The health care costs thing is ridiculous. I pay a fortune in taxes on cigarettes which goes to fund the additional costs that smoking puts on the health system. Would that all such dangerous activities had similar taxes on them (McDeath for a start). I don't think I should be allowed to smoke anywhere, and that rules should be enforced so that non-smokers do not have to work next to someone smoking up a storm. If a company is being made to pay higher health insurance premiums because of smokers, the smokers should pay the difference. But what this article describes is a ridiculous form of paternalism. At most the company can justify a differential health premium for smokers, there is no justification for the wanton intrusion into people's private lives that has occurred in this case. Again, the morality police are out in force, trying to organize other people's lives for their own sense of power. They should make me king, I'd soon show them what happens when you take their logic to the nth degree - it's Plato's Republic for them, and that means mandatory geometry every morning at 5am and execution for people who like bad music.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by MikeH
In the UK smokers pay loads more in tax than they get back in healthcare:



http://money.telegraph.co.uk/money/m...23/cnban23.xml

That's what's so disgusting about the state sanctioned persecution of smokers.

We're junkies to a drug that the state profits off of massively, but we are the new lepers.

:shrug:

I guess every generation needs its lepers.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Starchild
Just do what the UK does and annually increase the duty on packs of cigs. Like MikeH said, we gain far more than we spend (even though I do support an Ireland style ban on smoking in public).

At last check, packs of 20 were selling in the offy I worked at for £4.85. That's over $10 per pack.

That's about what we pay... in 'low tax' Alberta.

[Spiffor]

It's interesting to see who the bigots are in this thread, who supports discrimination against a group when said group does no harm to the others (i.e firing people from work because they smoke out of the workplace).

It certainly puts some other debates in perspective, like the gay rights debates.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
There is good news on the horizon regarding all of these problems. A new drug is in trials that dramatically curbs appetite, but also seems to reduce the craving for cigarettes. The drug it turns out is a Cannabinoid Receptor Blocker , it literally turns off the munchies. Of course as you might deduce it blocks the effects of marijuana on the brain.

Given the epiudemic of obesity, smoking and drug use among our nations youth I predict that once it hits the market entire high schools will be put on this stuff.

What is that stuff?

A couple of run ins with Zyban has me down from ~50 cigarettes per day to under 25 (two packs a day to just under one, if I don't stay up late arguing on Internet forums).

I developed bronchitis a couple of years ago, so I am a little bit motivated, but as long as I can buy the ****ing things in any corner store I'm not gonna stop without a lot of help.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Asher

My point wasn't that you smoke for respect, but whenever you hear of somebody getting lung cancer after being a smoker decades after we were told just how bad it was, you start to wonder just how smart they really were.

It's a terrible way to leave a lasting impression. You die looking like an idiot.

No, you die a junkie. I think that's worse, cause you got informed somewhere along the way, but you just couldn't stop it.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Japher
You aren't required to take a drug test... but if you want the job, and they want to test, than you better take the test.

You aren't required to let your home be searched... but if you want the job, and they want to search, then you better let them serach your home...

Good little brown shirt, you are.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Japher


they don't "have" to be employed

When you start a job there is generally some sort of contract or agreement.

Yeah, and there are contracts that require you to be moral. Want to guess what happened to gay people in years gone past when they were found out?

You think these intrutions are good ideas?

Oh, I forgot, you're a good little brown shirt.

[Skanky Burns]

Companies employing people based on who costs them the least to do the same amount of work? Gee, what an outrage.

Originally posted by notyoueither


That's what's so disgusting about the state sanctioned persecution of smokers.

We're junkies to a drug that the state profits off of massively, but we are the new lepers.

:shrug:

I guess every generation needs its lepers.

As always, self-inflicted = no pity.

I feel sorry for the first generation of smokers who picked up the habit before the negative effects of breathing in smoke became known. Everyone who picked it up since then...

[notyoueither]

First generation of smokers?! You mean like the preceding 200 or more years since tobacco was popularised in Europe? Whatever are you going to do with the natives and their sweet grass in your presumptuous conceit?

You puppies know ****. I have Levis that are older than you, but people like you and Asher see fit to pass judgement as if your young world were the be all and end all of existance.

My only consolation is that you too will become an old fart, and your experiences will be given as much respect by tomorrow's youth as you and Asher give mine.

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by notyoueither


You puppies know ****. I have Levis that are older than you, but people like you and Asher see fit to pass judgement as if your young world were the be all and end all of existance.

My only consolation is that you too will become an old fart, and your experiences will be given as much respect by tomorrow's youth as you and Asher give mine.

Has your Geritol supply run out again ?

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Skanky Burns
I feel sorry for the first generation of smokers who picked up the habit before the negative effects of breathing in smoke became known. Everyone who picked it up since then...

Incidently, if your 'generation' of nonsmokers were so bloody high and righteous, WTF are the ****ing things still legal and being taxed to excess? Hmmm?

Cram your holier than thou bull**** until you actually do something to change things, OK?

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by molly bloom

Has your Geritol supply run out again ?

Nope, still got beer in the fridge, thanks.

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by molly bloom
Has your Geritol supply run out again ?

ABout one week ago

[notyoueither]

Shush you.