Company fires all employees who smoke!

[Ming]

Yeah... but the minute somebody said they wouldn't hire him because he was gay, he would whine like a stuck pig. His idea of discrimination is that it's ok to discriminate against everybody else, but not him

[Asher]

Originally posted by Ming
Yeah... but the minute somebody said they wouldn't hire him because he was gay, he would whine like a stuck pig. His idea of discrimination is that it's ok to discriminate against everybody else, but not him

You could fire me because I was gay.

It's all the better, I wouldn't want to work for such a company.

I would fire a lawsuit against the company for fun though. Because unlike firing people for smoking, firing people because they're gay is illegal.



I still think it's fundamentally different to fire someone because of something they can't change, than to fire someone for willfully engaging in risky behavior while the company pays your health insurance.

That includes gays that have promiscuous sex.

But you can continue making an innocent segment of the population guilty because of their orientation if you wish.

[Ming]

Yep... it's different, because it doesn't effect you. We all understand perfectly

[Ming]

Plus... I don't selectively disciminate... I believe gays should be treated fairly, even though it's not a life style that has any attraction to me... You discriminate simply because you don't like something... Hmmm... sounds like a lot of people that discriminate against gays

[Asher]

Originally posted by Ming
Yep... it's different, because it doesn't effect you. We all understand perfectly

I'm going to explain this to you one more time. I realize you're in marketing, but if you just apply your mind for a minute you may comprehend.

The difference between firing for smoking and firing for being gay is this: All smokers are at a higher risk, not all gays are at a higher risk.

It is not unfair to fire smokers, because that was their choice, and they are 100% guaranteed to be doing something with high risk.

It is unfair to fire people because they're gay, because it was not their choice, and most gays don't have promiscuous sex (leading to the higher risks of HIV and other STDs). More people would be innocently fired for something they have no part of, aside from a stereotype.

It's really not a terribly different concept. I suppose as someone who's in marketing, all you boys do is play with stereotypes, so this is difficult for you.

[Japher]

IMO, a lot of the ppl/race/whatever that are normally discriminated against are more prejudice than those who are not.

I think that if a person is faced with a lot of discrimination in their life they will in turn become more proned to discriminate.

Strange, it's like how you said you would never be like your parents, and then you turn into them. Or, more like how kids who are molested are more likely to molest when they get older.

Must be some psychological thing eh?

[Asher]

Originally posted by Ming
Plus... I don't selectively disciminate... I believe gays should be treated fairly, even though it's not a life style that has any attraction to me... You discriminate simply because you don't like something... Hmmm... sounds like a lot of people that discriminate against gays

You just discriminated right there by saying there's a "gay lifestyle".

I admit to discriminating -- EVERYBODY does. You're too dense to realize you do it all the time as well, and you're that much more of an ass for pretending you don't.

[Ming]

Originally posted by Asher
It's really not a terribly different concept. I suppose as someone who's in marketing, all you boys do is play with stereotypes, so this is difficult for you.

Just more insults, and the same lame it's a matter of choice so it's OK to discriminate. You've shown plenty of discrimination in this thread... but I guess it's difficult for you to see it since it's not against you... but something you find disgusting.

The same reason why people discriminate against gays...

You are as bad as people that discriminate against gays, and you don't even realize it...
Sad... very sad...

[Asher]

You've shown plenty of discrimination in this thread... but I guess it's difficult for you to see it since it's not against you

I don't know how many times I've admitted to discriminating in this thread. Remedial reading may be in order for you, eh?

Here's whats real funny: you're giving me a hard time for discriminating against people who not only eat up my tax dollars for their stupidity, not only do they take up valuable space in lines for treatment for those of us not stupid enough to smoke, and not only do they harm the lungs of everyone around them...

I understand why people with religious beliefs discriminate against gays, and I freely discriminate against them, too.

It's better to be open about it than to pretend you don't, like you do.

I suppose it makes you feel like a better person, saying you don't discriminate...even when you talk about things like the "gay lifestyle" and its associated "high risks of STDs".

[Mrs. Tuberski]

Having an opinion doesnt equal discrimmination acting on that feeling however does.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Mrs. Tuberski
Having an opinion doesnt equal discrimmination acting on that feeling however does.

I haven't acted on anything, so therefore I'm not discriminating?

[Ming]

Again... more insults.

Just like everybody else that discriminates, you have found a reason to justify it. The people that discrminate against gays have their justifications too.. but it doesn't make them right.

Discrimination is wrong... period!

So feel free to continue to talk about how since it's a choice, it's OK for you to discriminate... again, your are just giving people the justification to attack and discriminate against gays... because I'm sure they can come up with just as lame justifications as you've been using in this thread

But then again... you will probably never really understand this, and just continue treating other groups in ways you wouldn't want gays treated

[Mrs. Tuberski]

i never said you did. I was merely stating an opinion.You have strong opinions of smokers point taken. I dont understand why you feel that a person who makes a choice to do something whether it be good for them or not hasto dowith whether they should be punished. And let me make my self clear im saying things that are legal. And might I add as you say being gay is not a choice. but announcing it is.

[Asher]

Discrimination is necessary, otherwise we wouldn't need qualifications and any person could get any job for any reason.

I suppose you don't think it's right that convicted felons can't be bonded and insured either?

I see no reason at all why the government should step in and assist smokers when they're being fired for not quiting, even when given 2 years notice and help from their employer to try. Everyone wins when people quit smoking.

It's not the government's job to force companies to keep hiring people who intentionally destroy their lungs and the lungs of people around them.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Mrs. Tuberski
i never said you did. I was merely stating an opinion.You have strong opinions of smokers point taken. I dont understand why you feel that a person who makes a choice to do something whether it be good for them or not hasto dowith whether they should be punished.

They shouldn't be punished, per se. It's just that companies have a right not to employ people who choose to inflate their health care rates by making a stupid choice and refusing to correct it.

Smokers made a choice, they can be fired for it if it reduces their value to the company.