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  • Originally posted by Tuberski
    He was mentioned on another question, Warren Moon.

    Dave Kreig was second.

    ACK!
    Warren Moon is correct. 161 career fumbles.

    You're up Tuberski!
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    • Keeping with the turnovers theme.

      Who has the most turnovers in NBA history for a career?

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      Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust!

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      • Is this a team or a player?
        When you find yourself arguing with an idiot, you might want to rethink who the idiot really is.
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        • player.

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          Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust!

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          • Hmmm.

            It's gotta be a point guard, someone who took a lot of risks. Almost certainly someone with a lot of assists. I don't think it's Stockton...

            I'll say Isiah Thomas.
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            • Just looked it up.

              Wow.

              Isiah Thomas is #4, with 3682 turnovers. The #1 player has nearly one thousand more.

              Great question, Tube.
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              • Is it John Stockton then?

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                • Nope.
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                  "The subject of onanism is inexhaustable." --Sigmund Freud

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                  • 21 points is a pretty good margin. That's 3 TD scores (at least). Obviously the team did not come back from the 3 scores and may have been more outplayed than that. What is a blowout? 4 TD scores? 5 TD scores?
                    5, any less then that and you have a decent chance of coming back within the last three minutes.

                    So, by adding a 4th down, means that one down doesn't count . Are you in 2nd grade or something?
                    No, but it means a sack or short run still leaves you with options

                    And with only 2 downs before punt or FG, you can't get those sustained drives which consist for running for 3, 4 yards every play. Those amazing drives that eat up the clock and destroy the defense. What a shame losing that is .
                    you still have them, they just consist of 7 or 8 yard passes instead.
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                    • Well, I'm guessing it has to be someone with a long career. Just guessing, but Robert Parrish?
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                      • You're on the right track, Plato.
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                        • I'm guessing Jordan or Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (because of the 'shock' factor ).

                          5, any less then that and you have a decent chance of coming back within the last three minutes.


                          Decent chance of coming back from 4 TDs down in the last three minutes?! And you wonder why the NFL has far more viewers!! What sillyness!

                          No, but it means a sack or short run still leaves you with options


                          YES, the way it should be! It's utterly silly to have a sack or short run totally destroy a drive if it is on 1st down.

                          you still have them, they just consist of 7 or 8 yard passes instead.


                          If you notice, I was talking about drives with 3-4 yard runs. Hardnose, smash mouth football.
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                          • No one yet? 2 people have been close.

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                            Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust!

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                            • Decent chance of coming back from 4 TDs down in the last three minutes?! And you wonder why the NFL has far more viewers!! What sillyness!
                              Well, you have a decent chance if you're the Indianapolis Colts, but for most football teams, you're right, it's a bit out of the question

                              As for 3 downs vs. 4 downs, 4 downs is the best for the NFL game.

                              Let's consider that fields are far more wide open in the CFL. I mean, if Martz was a head coach in the CFL, his 15 yard out routes would be the equivilent of a 5 yard hook. So, you only need 2 downs to make it worthwhile, otherwise people like Martz could have Chris Chandler wth a massive passer rating.

                              As for 4 downs, the NFL game is different. Things aren't as stretched out, and you need to attack the inside with more developed plays because there is less room for error. 1st and 2nd down are your wildcard downs. Do what you like, conservative or aggressive. Because of the tighter fields, you need to be less aggressive in order to keep turnovers to a minimum. Ball control, few mistakes, and intelligent play against the opponent is the key to a successful NFL drive, and because the NFL is inherently more conservative than the CFL, you will see closer games, and less scoring, because there is less room for error.

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                              • Deleted erroneous post oops
                                Last edited by Laertes; January 24, 2005, 10:40.

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