Stalin monument to be built??

[Pekka]

No, our location doesn't show it at all. You can't show it How's that taste? Bitter? I bet!

You see, you're claiming we starved the place. I'm claiming we were close to the place, no ROoskies passed our zones (wow surprise there), and that Stalin brought it upon himself by engaging into us and it is entirely his own fault. This is what I'm saying.

You're saying.. NO! bbaabaabaa NO!! I HAVE tuh FACTRS! **** you don't have any facts at all. You don't even know anything about continuation war. Go praise your views to some other commies, I'm sure they do agree.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Pekka
No, our location doesn't show it at all. You can't show it How's that taste? Bitter? I bet!

You see, you're claiming we starved the place. I'm claiming we were close to the place, no ROoskies passed our zones (wow surprise there), and that Stalin brought it upon himself by engaging into us and it is entirely his own fault. This is what I'm saying.

You're saying.. NO! bbaabaabaa NO!! I HAVE tuh FACTRS! **** you don't have any facts at all. You don't even know anything about continuation war. Go praise your views to some other commies, I'm sure they do agree.

[Pekka]

You know I'm right though. Only thing you have 'showed' is that we were there. Duh?!?! And that's where your facts END. Wow, excuse me mister professor. That doesn't even count as amateur night for the subject.

You disagree that Stalin brought it upon himself and that the war itself and everything to it is his fault, excluding some possible individual deeds and summary executions and that type of stuff?

So you are basically defending Stalin on his position. put on as many smilies as you can, but there's a fact for you, unless you accept Stalin to be the faulty one, 100%. If not, then please show how it was our fault. If you can't come up with facts, stfu please.

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[Pekka]

What ever. You can laugh all you want. But the truth is, you don't qualify as any kind of expert or even novise in this subject. You have provided one fact, and you make your own conclusion derived from that fact. It's ok. You can feel that way. I remind you, I have only provided facts, not conclusions. You haven't refuted not single one of those facts. Well, it would be impossible. So laugh all you want. That's the most you can do on this subject, trying to portray yourself in imaginairy position. You are simply doing cause effect interpretation, that's all, and you claim it to be a fact. And for the record, you have nto shown any proof as of yet, except our location, to your claim. Not a single fact have you been able to come up with. Not a single one. My claims are at least backed up by facts. You simply take some pressure of Stalin's back. Figures.

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[Pekka]

Consider yourself lost. You can't come up with anything else.
You don't even pay the respect to answer my questions, so that's it for me. Go read a book.

[chequita guevara]

I gave up on you a long time ago, Pekka. Once it became clear that no amount of reasoning, evidence, etc. was gonna get through to you. Since then I've only been trolling you, and very successfully too, I might add. Everyone else can see what I'm saying clearly, and agrees that it makes sense. Only you, with your wounded nationalistic pride, can't bring yourself to admit it. So I just laugh at you.

[Pekka]

Your only evidence is our location. Your reasoning is 'come on, but it's evident!'. I have also provided facts. We didn't cut the most important line. It wasn't a question of preference, we refused to do it. That's a fact. YOu of course feel this is irrelevant.

That's all you are saying. You were close to Leningrad. SU troops could have used those lands for support lines. I'm saying too ****ing bad. Stalin brought this situation to himself. Had he not being the way he was, we wouldn't have been there in the first place.

Furthermore we didn't cut the lines outside that zone. It's not irrelevant, even if you say so. It is very much relevant.

Your position is the most easy to defend, and you're not going the extra mile to defend it. You're just accusing. Passing judgements. And you don't even have any idea about the whole conflict. And then only thing you do is disrespect me after that.

If you want to prove your claims, you will coem up with clear plans, or even clear suggestions that it was in our interest to siege Leningrad. You provide our goal to do that, and then why it would make sense to us.

And then you explain why that position was not Stalin's fault.

Unless you can convinsingly do that, you're nothing but hot air. And calling me wounded up nationalistic isn't helping any.

So unless you can actually PROVE your claims, you can talk all you want about 'facts' you have established, but your methods of making facts is only recognized in renessaince era where someone said this is how it is, then it it was. Either stop wasting my time, or put some effort too.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Pekka
Your only evidence is our location. Your reasoning is 'come on, but it's evident!'. I have also provided facts. We didn't cut the most important line.

So you only cut off 90%, instead of 100%. Gosh, I guess you're totally right Pekaa! So I guess you did do anything since only 670,000 people starved to death, instead of all of them.

[Pekka]

No, didn't I just go extensively how these lines were support lines against us? They don't count. And if that comes as a tiebreaker, the fact that we didn't take out the road of life swings it in our favour.

[Pekka]

Exactly. YOu don't even consider this .. how disrespectful can you get? You are on the verge of becoming disgusting. You don't know anything about how the 'not cutting the road of life' came about and all the facts behind it.

You are still not showing anything at all, except oru location, which was because Stalin attacked. I'ms aying, it is Stalins fault. YOu don't agree. That is weird.

Do you blame IBM for selling punch card to Nazis, because that certainly contributes at least half % to that, because they'd be more effective.

[chequita guevara]

Okay, one last time. Let's see if your brain can handle this. I know it's futile, but I'm still having fun.

There are four directions from which food can entire Leningrad: North around Lake Ladoga, South, East over Lake Ladoga, and West from the Guld of Finland. The Germans cut off the South, the Finns cut off the North, and the Germans and Finns cooperated to cut of the West. Only the Eastern route was left open, but it wasn't sufficient to allow enough food in to feed all the people of Leningrad, so 670,000 of them starved to death.

Now, for some reason, you claim that you didn't cut off the Northern or Western routes, and that because you didn't cut off the Southern and Eastern routes, you therefore didn't starve anyone, even though you supposedly could have cut off the Eastern route, which even the far superior German army could not do.

Now, anyone with at least half a brain can understand that if you cut off the Northern route you have participated in cutting off the city, and thus have helped to cause it to starve.

If you can't understand this, you are completely hopeless.

[Pekka]

I haven't denied our location. And that's the only fact you seem to be having. Do you think we were there by force or because we wanted to be there. We were there against our will. Stalin forced us to come there and defend. Now, do you agree? I won't put many questions at a time because you seem to be not answering my questions.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Pekka
Exactly. YOu don't even consider this .. how disrespectful can you get?

Just because you didn't completely cut off Leningrad, it doesn't mean you didn't cut it off. If the city needed, say, 500,000 tonnes of food, and as a result of your actions, only 250,000 were able to get through, that doesn't mean that you didn't starve the city.

You are still not showing anything at all, except oru location, which was because Stalin attacked. I'ms aying, it is Stalins fault.

No, I'm not saying anything about anyone's fault. I don't care who's fault it was. That's not part of my point. You seem to feel that's important. Go ahead. It doesn't change what your country did.

Do you blame IBM for selling punch card to Nazis,

Yes.