US drops from the top 10 free economies list

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Berzerker
Kid -

No, the liberal/statist ideology is based on envy. I was poor (even homeless for a bit) but I wasn't envious...

I guess any group that isn't in power is envious. So what?

The only poor people I mentioned were the people being taxed to pay for the retirements of richer people.

Oh please. That's so far from reality it's not even funny. Poor people are overwhelmingly for social security, because the only other option for survival after their working lives is living with their poor children, sleeping on a spare bed in their grandchilren's room. Oh, but they shouldn't be envious.

[Kidlicious]

btw, Berzerker, I find it hard to believe that you have never been envious, especially when you were homeless (if that's even true). Everyone is envious. Anyone who says they aren't is full of it.

[Berzerker]

AH on you

Kid

I guess any group that isn't in power is envious. So what?

I wasn't envious when I was homeless and I've been out of power my entire life (poilitically anyway). Sounds like you're admitting envy is the basis of the left wing ideology.

Oh please. That's so far from reality it's not even funny. Poor people are overwhelmingly for social security, because the only other option for survival after their working lives is living with their poor children, sleeping on a spare bed in their grandchilren's room. Oh, but they shouldn't be envious.

Ah, so SS breaks families up? Hey, so does welfare. The former removes the grandparents and the latter removes the fathers. Are you now saying the people who look to liberals for social programs are envious? Thats strange, you just accused me of believing poor people are envious and now you're saying they are.
I imagine quite a few poor people look forward to SS after being taxed to pay for it, I dont fault them. I fault the people who push this socialist crappola.

btw, Berzerker, I find it hard to believe that you have never been envious, especially when you were homeless (if that's even true).

Why?

Everyone is envious. Anyone who says they aren't is full of it.

Envy - A feeling of discontent and resentment aroused by and in conjunction with desire for the possessions or qualities of another.

I've felt discontent at not being able to play golf like Tiger Woods, but resentment? Hardly...

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Berzerker
No, the liberal/statist ideology is based on envy. I was poor (even homeless for a bit) but I wasn't envious...

Gun right proponents argue that the 2nd Amendment of the US Constitution should be intepreted reasonably. That is, individuals are allowed to own firearms but not thermonuclear devices and ICBMs. So, why shouldn't a criterion of reasonableness be applied to private property as well?

[Berzerker]

Envy...guns...homeless...reasonable interpretation of the 2nd Amendment... Wtf are you talking about?

[Ned]

Originally posted by Kidicious


I don't think economic growth is all that important. Stability and equality are more important.

So long as people understand there is a tradeoff, we could put this to a vote. We could compare Cuba to Puerto Rico as examples of both philosophies and then let the people vote.

Kid even you must admit that China has now opted for growth.

[Drogue]

Originally posted by Ned
I personally have no objection to taxation. I think, though, that taxes should be structured to meet the required government revenue while simultaneously maximizing economic growth. This is a fundamentally different philosophy from socialism who uses taxation and social programs to shift incomes from one class to another cares not one whit about economic growth.

However as you said, there is a tradeoff, so 'maximizing' economic growth is impossible while also meeting government expenditure. But yes, I agree on the principle, government needs a certain revenue, depending on it's expenditure, and taxes should serve the purpose of raising that, while being as low as possible in order to maximise growth.

[Odin]

I am still waiting for the libbies to tell me how SS is unconstitutional.

[Agathon]

Originally posted by Berzerker


I said this was a new twist in addition to envy.



See?

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger
Gun right proponents argue that the 2nd Amendment of the US Constitution should be intepreted reasonably. That is, individuals are allowed to own firearms but not thermonuclear devices and ICBMs. So, why shouldn't a criterion of reasonableness be applied to private property as well?

It's rather difficult for someone to blow up DC with a factory.

[Last Conformist]

Originally posted by Berzerker
No, the liberal/statist ideology is based on envy. I was poor (even homeless for a bit) but I wasn't envious...

Then, clearly, something is wrong with you.

[Berzerker]

Odin

I am still waiting for the libbies to tell me how SS is unconstitutional.

I explained that to you the last time you tried to include SS under "the general welfare". The burden of proof is not on us, its on those who claim a certain program IS constitutional. Madison in Federalist #41 explains the meaning of "general welfare"... It wasn't a power to do anything, its a "goal" to be achieved only by following the powers enumerated after it. Otherwise, we wouldn't need a list of enumerated powers, just do whatever we want in the name of the general welfare.

But here's a clue, if the feds didn't "see" a federal retirement system for us enumerated in the Constitution until affter FDR threatened to pack the court ~150 years after the Constitution was ratified, then they are most likely re-writing the Constitution. But I know you dont care that Madison rejected your definition of his words...

LC

Then, clearly, something is wrong with you.

Why do you guys resent people who have more than you?

[Alexander's Horse]

Originally posted by Berzerker
AH on you

Er why? We're doing very well.

[Berzerker]

I never saw any Aggie in you before

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
It's rather difficult for someone to blow up DC with a factory.

Oh yeah? Try Bhopal.