US drops from the top 10 free economies list

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Agathon
I have an excellent solution to America's problems.

Find every person who has ever voted Republican and make it illegal for them to ever vote again.

Either that or shoot them.

Problems solved.

This is how commies solve there problems. Mass purges and mass murder. You show your true colors, agathon.

[Rufus T. Firefly]

Originally posted by Giancarlo


Problem with this: They are not legal and do not have documentation. And often they are sucking up welfare. Example: California. You are full of crap.

The problem, Skippy, is if they are not legal and do not have doicumentation, they can't collect welfare. Documentation is welfare requirement #1. California's problem is not welfare but social services, especially emergency room and clinic services.

But here's the thing: nobody swims the Rio Grande for emergency room services. The swim for one thing and one thing only: work. Of course, work should require documentation, too. So how do they get it? By working for employers who pay them off the books, under the table. Employers who pay them less that the minimum wage, because their workers can't call the cops. Employers who don't provide insurance, don't kick into social security, and just generally ignore every law an employer is supposed to obey.

Those employers ain't the government, Skippy; they're good old-fashioned American capitalists, of the sort you profess to admire.

[Giancarlo]

Well, if you do what California does you just give them a free ride. But your problem Rufus is you are a liar and are wrong. Call me by my real name. Mr Liar.

[Sikander]

Originally posted by Stefu
Oh, you wouldn't want to be below Denmark - what with all the roasted pork they eat straight out of bag it would be very uncomfortable, and with their porn addiction who knows what they'd get in their heads...

Pork and Porn, what's not to like?

[Sikander]

Originally posted by GePap


First of all, in a Ponzi scheme the people who get in early make a lot, and with time people who get in latrer get less and less and the system is not sustainable- in SS, people get the pension and will continue to get it indefinitely, even if in 30-40 years money for this will have to be taken out of the General fund, that or raise payroll taxes.

Its not a POnzi scheme, and it will keep on chugging.

That sounds more like a pyramid scheme.

We have to move to a system which is capitalized on a per capita basis rather than constantly having to adjust for these huge swings in revenue. It does us no good to give the government surplus funds with which to create constituencies which they will have great difficulty sustaining, and it does us no good to have to raise taxes through the roof in order to maintain a poorly thought out retirement system. It's simply bad for our economy in general as well as for the personal economies of those who are going to have to pay for 50% of a retirees benefits out of their own wages. How the hell can the average person possible afford that?

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Giancarlo
Well, if you do what California does you just give them a free ride. But your problem Rufus is you are a liar and are wrong. Call me by my real name. Mr Liar.

Bad sport, Fez. That's 24 hours for you.

[Kidlicious]

For calling someone a liar? He does ten times worse every day.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Berzerker
Sava

You mean its stealing if I refuse to participate in Social Security? Oh yeah, liberals think the rest of us exist to pay for what they want...kinda like small children in a candy store...

People who want to recieve something when they retire from working for you are the children?!

[Ned]

Originally posted by Kidicious


I think it has a whole lot to do with socialism. Taxes are a way to make individuals and firms responsible to society as opposed to themselves.

At least you and I agree that taxation is central to socialism. When I charge the likes of Kerry et al. as being socialists, central to that charge is their class warfare dialog and impetus for raising taxes on the higher income levels and lowering them on lower income levels.

The object of socialism is to bring economic equality. Taxation has to be central to achieving that objective.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Provost Harrison
Dammit, they can't even spell Libya right

Labia?

On a sad side note a friend of mine just e-mailed me a URL for a place which offers "Labia Stretching". Funny as hell.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Sikander
That sounds more like a pyramid scheme.

It sounds like any other government program from education to road construction. I.E. current taxes pay for government expenditures.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Ned
At least you and I agree that taxation is central to socialism.

Taxation is central to every government form ever thought up.

[DanS]

Not quite true. The US government subsisted on land sales for much of the 19th century. Oil revenues form the funding for several governments nowadays. Several governments in the past have subsisted on investments of other types.

Etc.

[Nubclear]

I would really be entertained if the US abolished taxes.

[Kontiki]

Originally posted by DanS
Not quite true. The US government subsisted on land sales for much of the 19th century. Oil revenues form the funding for several governments nowadays. Several governments in the past have subsisted on investments of other types.

Etc.

Not true either. The US government subsisted primarily on tariffs during much of the 19th century, except during the civil war where a broader range of taxes were introduced, many of which weren't repealed after the war.