Yes, it's that time again, Vince! ACS Political Compass / 2005 edition!

[Kontiki]

Originally posted by Giancarlo


You don't get it.

Leftism does not equal personal freedom

Economic freedom leads to personal freedom

I want more economic freedom, therefore I want more personal freedom then everyone else.

Where did I say "leftism" equals personal freedom? Look at the graph - you want less personal freedom than the vast majority of everyone else here.

I'd be really interested to see how you actually answered the questions in the quiz.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Spiffor

Yet there were many questions specifically aimed at Personal Freedoms, in which you showed you were far more authoritarian than the average Apolytoner, and far more authoritarian to the average lefty.

This is why I got a negative score for authoritarian/libertarian when it came to social views? Nice try. Really.. nice try. The average lefty is for less economic freedom then me, and so it cancels out anything with the other axis... it makes the lefty more authoritarian because he is against economic freedom. Anyone against economic freedom has issues.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Giancarlo
What happened to you?

Ted's become slightly melodromatic in response to Bush's victory. I'm confident he'll eventually return to normal.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Kontiki
Wow, talk about missing the point. It isn't supposed to be a "which party do you support" quiz or a "which of these proposed pieces of legislation would you vote for" test. The idea is to roughly translate your views on somewhat everyday issues into a two-dimensional political spectrum.

Exactly. POLITICAL spectrum. "Some people are naturally unlucky" is no more useful a question for that purpose than "Chocolate ice cream tastes better than vanilla".

[Provost Harrison]

Economic freedom? The freedom to exploit and pillage and to tread on other people. It's not a freedom, it's a privelege to the lucky few...

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Azazel
It's not a leftist one, it's a totalitarian one. If you believe in astrology you're more totalitarian ( which is true ) .

That's retarded. Astrology is a scientific* theory that the motions of astronomical bodies influence daily life. In principle it could be true. It's like a religious person calling Evolution a leftist theory

*I do not use the word to imply that it has any validity and isn't utterly stupid.

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Giancarlo
This is why I got a negative score for authoritarian/libertarian when it came to social views?

Yes, your score is far above 'Poly's mean, and even further from the lefties' mean.
However, considering you're a right wing nutjob, and considering the tendency (showed by the blue line in StLeo's graph) of right-wingers to be more authoritarian than the left, you are mainstream for an extremist. I.e, you're no more authoritarian than the average right-wing apolytoner nutjob, even though you're more authoritarian than the huge majority of the test takers (you're the 9th most authoritarian person on this forum, on 46 takers)

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Provost Harrison
Economic freedom? The freedom to exploit and pillage and to tread on other people. It's not a freedom, it's a privelege to the lucky few...

Nope economic freedom = democracy.

Your view = Stalinism

The ability to move 20 million, execute half of them and then move the rest to concentration camps. That's what economic communism brings. And that's what your beliefs would produce. Pure Stalinism. Pure hysteria. Pure madness.

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by Spiffor

Yes, your score is far above 'Poly's mean, and even further from the lefties' mean.
However, considering you're a right wing nutjob, and considering the tendency (showed by the blue line in StLeo's graph) of right-wingers to be more authoritarian than the left, you are mainstream for an extremist. I.e, you're no more authoritarian than the average right-wing apolytoner nutjob, even though you're more authoritarian than the huge majority of the test takers (you're the 9th most authoritarian person on this forum)

I'm not a nutjob anything. If anything look at Whoha. You are the extremist. Along with the rest of everyone on the left wing. You are for less economic freedom, therefore I could categorize you as Stalinist. I'm not authoritarian. And I'm not a nutjob. You are the nutjob. And great way to skew statistics.. you take this test as if it were gold. I think I believe in far more economic and personal freedom then you commies do.

[Az]

That's retarded. Astrology is a scientific* theory that the motions of astronomical bodies influence daily life. In principle it could be true. It's like a religious person calling Evolution a leftist theory

*I do not use the word to imply that it has any validity and isn't utterly stupid.

Astrology is not a scientific theory..... regardless of the fact that it's bull****.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Spiffor
Kuci:
Political attitudes are not only measured by your opinions on specific political matters, but are also measured by Personality. So, questions about spanking your children can show an authoritarian trend, just like questions about whether children should be able to keep secrets (the "well, duh" is not an obvious answer to everyone).

It's not a question if children should be able to keep secrets. It's a question if children keeping secrets from their parents is a natural occurance. This can be confirmed easily through simple observation.

Edit: the question about abstract art clearly denotes authoritarianism. Authoritarians have a strong tendency to reject abstract art. Again, this belief mirrors the idea there are some absolutes ('Art' is an absolute, in that the respondent takes upon himself to define "Art"), and the absolutely good things should be rewarded, while the absolutely bad things should suffer from something negative. It is interesting to see that all authoritarian regimes that have supported arts, always rejected/punished abstract art and sponsored 'realistic' art.

But thinking that abstract art isn't "art" doesn't mean you want it suppressed, or even care. I don't think rap is music; I think it's crap. It doesn't make me totalitarian.

A good political poll is not a poll where you understand what replies you should give to be in the category you strive for. At the contrary, a good political poll has many questions that are only indirectly related to politics, so that the respondent will give a sincere reply.

And yet you can't give your REASON for the reply. The questions don't indicate your ideology! Opposite ideologies can have equally good reasons for a particular answer to many of the questions.

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Giancarlo
And great way to skew statistics.

I'm eager to know how I skewed statistics

[Provost Harrison]

Originally posted by Giancarlo


Nope economic freedom = democracy.

Your view = Stalinism

The ability to move 20 million, execute half of them and then move the rest to concentration camps. That's what economic communism brings. And that's what your beliefs would produce. Pure Stalinism. Pure hysteria. Pure madness.

No, as is quite visibly demonstrated by me and the other lefties here, we are most certainly not Stalinists, if you even know what the word means. If we were, we'd all be in the upper left quadrant.

So how does your 'economic freedom' give freedom and democracy that does not run counter to your more authoritarian standpoints. And lets face it, you've only moved that little bit more liberal because of coming to terms with your sexuality...join the dots buddy...

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Azazel

That's retarded. Astrology is a scientific* theory that the motions of astronomical bodies influence daily life. In principle it could be true. It's like a religious person calling Evolution a leftist theory

*I do not use the word to imply that it has any validity and isn't utterly stupid.

Astrology is not a scientific theory..... regardless of the fact that it's bull****.

It's a theory that attempts to explain the behavior of certain parts of the universe. It fails horribly. It is, however, a scientific theory.

[Kontiki]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker


Exactly. POLITICAL spectrum. "Some people are naturally unlucky" is no more useful a question for that purpose than "Chocolate ice cream tastes better than vanilla".

No, because "chocolate ice cream tastes better than vanilla" has no explanatory value when it comes to your world view. "Some people are naturally unluckly" is meant to explore if you think there is a fundamental structure that we are all destined to follow or whether we set our own course.