Anti-Christian attitudes in the U.S.? Would Jesus use this much electricity?

[Patroklos]

used to drive around with my buddies around xmas time, and we would reposition people's reindeers into ****ing positions... ROFL

I used to sit out in halloween and beat the asses of people like you who tried to smash pumpkins. Feel free to stop by my house this Christmas

[Imran Siddiqui]

I'd pick Sava... he's crazy enough to do anything!

[Lung]

My oven uses more electricity than 1000 christmas lights, so i don't know what the problem is. Mostly just punk (or should i say drunk) kids taking out their issues on ornaments.

Of course, you yanks go too far with your christmas lights, but people should at least mutilate themselves before attacking anything else.

[Berzerker]

they defend the Bill of Rights and no one else does, except for the NRA, which I support on some stuff and not on others.

The only people I see defending the BoR are libertarians and a tiny minority of conservatives. The ACLU and NRA merely support the amendments they like and ignore the ones that get in the way of their ideology. Two examples:

1) The ACLU is nowhere to be found when states/localities want to ban or severely restrict guns, yet they rely on the 14th Amendment to go after states and localities on the dubious argument that a nativity scene "establishes" religion. And of course the ACLU loves using the government to "re-distribute wealth" even though that was not the purpose of Congress as defined by the Constitution.

2) The NRA supports the drug war, a violation of several amendments including the 1st and 10th amendments.

[Boris Godunov]

Re: Stop the ACLU!!!

Originally posted by Mr. Nice Guy
Oh, really? Well, it sure is funny how the ACLU attacks Christians and Jews, but leaves people of other religions alone.

You mean the same ACLU which has vigorously defended the right of Christians in schools to wear their religious symbols? The same ACLU that has defended the right of Jewish students to wear the Star of David?

You haven't a clue what the ACLU does or what it stands for. It's about protecting civil liberties, period--not just those of Christians. You just happen to not like it when it fights against your group imposing its views on others, but I'm sure you're all for it when it's defending your side.

[Dis]

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Berzerker To be a Christian one must follow the doctrine of that religion as defined by it's founder(s) just as atheists must follow a certain doctrine to qualify as atheists.

All someone has to do to be an atheist is lack belief in a deity. No "doctrine" necessary. There's no such thing as "atheist philosophy," it's simply a state of non-belief.

[Mr. Nice Guy]

Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar


Well, it depends on *who* your murdering. You are granted a Class A Damnation Exemption by God(tm) if you murder:

-Gays
-Blacks
-Christians who dont think exactly like you
-Communists (US Scale)
-Moslems
-Jews
-Russians
-Asians
-Africans
-Brownpeople
-Liberals (US Scale)
-Women (Additional restrictions may apply, see packet)

Otherwise, no, he wouldnt

Actually, if someone did that and called themselves Christian, they might get labeled as a terrorist.

Berzerker, your point is conceded. Apparently I completely misunderstood the logic in your statement. My bad. But you know, according to statistics coming from thousands of different sources there are millions upon millions of Christians in America. If I had to guesstimate how many Christians are in America, I would put it in the 30-40% range compared 50-65% other religion and 5-10% atheist/agnostic/deist/theist.

[Mr. Nice Guy]

Re: Re: Stop the ACLU!!!

Originally posted by Boris Godunov
You mean the same ACLU which has vigorously defended the right of Christians in schools to wear their religious symbols? The same ACLU that has defended the right of Jewish students to wear the Star of David?

You haven't a clue what the ACLU does or what it stands for. It's about protecting civil liberties, period--not just those of Christians. You just happen to not like it when it fights against your group imposing its views on others, but I'm sure you're all for it when it's defending your side.

Must I give you examples of the ACLU's treachery?

[Imran Siddiqui]

Must I give you examples of the ACLU's treachery?

You mean when they prevent the Christians from turning the US into a theocracy?

[Imran Siddiqui]

Oh, an example of ACLU coming to Christian's aid:

http://www.aclu.org/FreeSpeech/FreeSpeech.cfm?ID=17183&c=42

the ACLU criticized a separate ruling that upheld the transit agency’s decision to reject ads submitted by a Christian church group.

In a separate case, which was combined with the marijuana policy reform ads lawsuit for the appeal, the court ruled that the transportation authority had the right to reject ads submitted by the Church of the Good News. The ads criticized the secularization of Christmas and promoted Christianity as the "one true religion." The ACLU of Massachusetts filed the lawsuit in 2002 charging that the transportation authority violated the religious liberty and free speech rights of the church.

[Mr. Nice Guy]

http://www.stoptheaclu.org/wst_page6.html

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by Mr. Nice Guy
http://www.stoptheaclu.org/wst_page6.html

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
You mean when they prevent the Christians from turning the US into a theocracy?

[Odin]

Originally posted by Mr. Nice Guy


Actually, if someone did that and called themselves Christian, they might get labeled as a terrorist.

Gitmo better expand to hold a lot of southern rednecks then.

Originally posted by Berzerker

And of course the ACLU loves using the government to "re-distribute wealth" even though that was not the purpose of Congress as defined by the Constitution.

the Constitution gives the Federal and State governments the power to tax, and since the Constitution was amended to allow income taxes, you have no argument.

[Imran Siddiqui]

http://www.aclu.org/ReligiousLiberty/ReligiousLiberty.cfm?ID=16295&c=142

LINCOLN --The American Civil Liberties Union of Nebraska today announced that it would defend a Presbyterian church from a forced eviction by the city.

"There's no reason for the city to force the Church of the Awesome God from its home, and the city is violating both the First Amendment and federal law in doing so," said Tim Butz, Executive Director of the ACLU of Nebraska.

"The First Amendment guarantees the right to free exercise of religion," ACLU of Nebraska Legal Director Amy Miller said. "A church cannot be forced to close its doors unless the city can prove there is a compelling reason to shut them down. In this case, the church is a small congregation that causes no problems for anyone. The city has failed to provide a single reason for ordering our clients out, though we've been requesting a reason for many months now."