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Yeah, I know. But most coal mines are in areas where there really aren't a lot of other jobs. And people who live in these areas are pretty fierce about wanting to live there. Hopefully, however, we could further automate coal mining, so no one has to do it. I'm not a big fan of coal as it is. Nasty polluting stuff.
I agree on coal but it is an example of a nasty job that is currently necessary and for which people are NOT interchangeable parts. Replacing coal with oil and gas means even more drilling in remote areas where nobody lives. I don't see a line-up for those jobs either.
Originally posted by chegitz guevara
I don't have all the answers. Maybe we can sentence criminals to have to work up there.
Good one. I am just happy to see a communist admit problems with equalized wages. I actually believe that it was you that pointed out that differences in wages are an accepted part of some branches of communist ideology. Well actually I think you said it is part of socialism but that wages become unnecessary in true communism.
As for prisoners . . . hmmm it is an isolated town in northern Alberta with a booming economy and a ratio of men to women to discourage any many with heterosexual desires . . . so some of it already sounds prisonlike. Lets explore this . . . many of the workers live in camps where they are provided all meals and accomodation and many never leave the grounds except in buses provided by ther facility.
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And if they try and escape, they get eaten by bears.
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Not entirely, but there will be a market, at least at first. We're not going to fully impliment socialism on day one of the revolution. The working class needs experience in managing the economy before it begins making changes, and even then, we need to do so in a rational and planned way and not arbitraily. To do so would create the same economic dislocations we are seeking to do away with. The experiences with war communism in the Russian Revolutoin and The Great Leap Forward in China should be instructive here. If we're simply going to repeat the mistakes of the past, what's the point?
We don't want to make major changes. We can operate the economy largely the way it is. Produce the same goods and services mostly, and just allocate resources as they become free. Just becuase they ****ed it up in Russia and China doesn't mean that we shouldn't be afraid to try. I see a big problem with not living by the ideals of communism as soon as possible. You have to eliminate the special interests right away.
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Originally posted by chegitz guevara
And if they try and escape, they get eaten by bears.
Unfortunately thats too close to the truth. Mrs Flubber's brother lives there and he doesn't enjoy it ( a single guy that doesn't want to be single but pickings are slim in Fort Mac). But he stays because the money is just so good.
You don't get to 300 losses without being a pretty exceptional goaltender.-- Ben Kenobi speaking of Roberto Luongo
Originally posted by Kidicious
I see a big problem with not living by the ideals of communism as soon as possible. You have to eliminate the special interests right away.
Not that way! Quicksand!
Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...
One important idea of communism is efficient organization of labor. We can't leave it up to any kind of free market. That's not going to work.
And pray tell what would this efficient method be ?
Ordeers from the central planners?
Anyway I have to run again to create more value. I got a call today that indicated that I have created so much value this year that I will earn a nice bonus
The free market rocks
You don't get to 300 losses without being a pretty exceptional goaltender.-- Ben Kenobi speaking of Roberto Luongo
I'm sorry Che, and I hate to say this, but I would not contribute to a system like that. I would be very much opposed. You need some kind of moral justification. You can't just say that your way works better. It's not going to work better for a lot of people and you are going to have enemies, and it is very likely that I would be one of them.
I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
- Justice Brett Kavanaugh
Originally posted by Kidicious
Just becuase they ****ed it up in Russia and China doesn't mean that we shouldn't be afraid to try.
Actually, it does. We need to be damned careful, instead of charging around like a bull in a china shop.
You have to eliminate the special interests right away.
By special interests I assume you mean the previous ruling classes, and we just have to eliminate their political power. Something like the NEP with a gradual expansion of the state sector of the economy.
Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...
Originally posted by Kidicious
you are going to have enemies, and it is very likely that I would be one of them.
Anarchist!
Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...
Originally posted by chegitz guevara
[Q]Originally posted by Kidicious
You have to eliminate the special interests right away.
By special interests I assume you mean the previous ruling classes, and we just have to eliminate their political power. Something like the NEP with a gradual expansion of the state sector of the economy.
I mean any special interests who try for political gain.
The NEP was a very bad idea as far as I'm concerned. There was no gradual expansion of the state sector it was brutal and they let the kulaks influence the peasants.
I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
- Justice Brett Kavanaugh
Originally posted by Kidicious
I'm sorry Che, and I hate to say this, but I would not contribute to a system like that. I would be very much opposed. You need some kind of moral justification. You can't just say that your way works better. It's not going to work better for a lot of people and you are going to have enemies, and it is very likely that I would be one of them.
Oh, this is just classic! Mr. "I haven't thought out the details" telling someone "you can't just say your way works better"!
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"I wish I had gay sex in the boy scouts" - Dissident
One important idea of communism is efficient organization of labor. We can't leave it up to any kind of free market. That's not going to work.
I too would love to hear how this works. You can also explain how it would be more fair than a free market and removes exploitation.
"The French caused the war [Persian Gulf war, 1991]" - Ned
"you people who bash Bush have no appreciation for one of the great presidents in our history." - Ned
"I wish I had gay sex in the boy scouts" - Dissident
Originally posted by Kidicious
The NEP was a very bad idea as far as I'm concerned. There was no gradual expansion of the state sector it was brutal and they let the kulaks influence the peasants.
The purpose of the NEP was to grow the economy of the USSR, which was almost totally destroyed. By the late 20s, Trotsky was arguing for a gradual increase of the state sector of the economy and industrialization, opposed by Stalin and Bakharin. Once Trotsky was out of the way, Stalin propsed a rapid and brutal increase of the state sector.
Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...
But most coal mines are in areas where there really aren't a lot of other jobs. And people who live in these areas are pretty fierce about wanting to live there. Hopefully, however, we could further automate coal mining, so no one has to do it. I'm not a big fan of coal as it is. Nasty polluting stuff.
I mean any special interests who try for political gain.
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