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  • #121
    I'm pretty sure that you hippies without a cause will invent a new sole source once most of the plankton has been destroyed.

    Has anyone read the book? Is it any good?
    Haven't seen it on the shelves yet. Then again I'd except that it doesn't get released here until it has been translated...

    Thirty years ago it was OMG WE'RE GOING TO HAVE AN ICE AGE RUN FOR YOUR LIVES. Why should we pay attention now?
    No, you're confusing "thirty years ago" with "Day after Tomorrow".
    OMG IF WE DONT STOP GLOBAL WARMING THE STATUE OF LIBERTY WILL SOON BE OVERRUN BY 200 METER TSUNAMIS AND ICE!
    Last edited by RGBVideo; December 13, 2004, 18:55.

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    • #122
      Hippies, thats about your whole vocabulary isnt it?
      Que l’Univers n’est qu’un défaut dans la pureté de Non-être.

      - Paul Valery

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      • #123
        Originally posted by Kuciwalker




        The election has turned you from a serious poster into an inane caricature.
        Afraid of competition?
        Why can't you be a non-conformist just like everybody else?

        It's no good (from an evolutionary point of view) to have the physique of Tarzan if you have the sex drive of a philosopher. -- Michael Ruse
        The Nedaverse I can accept, but not the Berzaverse. There can only be so many alternate realities. -- Elok

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        • #124
          Originally posted by VJ

          No, you're confusing "thirty years ago" with "Day after Tomorrow".
          OMG IF WE DONT STOP GLOBAL WARMING THE STATUE OF LIBERTY WILL SOON BE OVERRUN BY 200 METER TSUNAMIS AND ICE!
          Says the poster with a living tree as an avatar
          "post reported"Winston, on the barricades for freedom of speech
          "I don't like laws all over the world. Doesn't mean I am going to do anything but post about it."Jon Miller

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          • #125
            Originally posted by germanos


            Confessing I haven't looked at your links:

            Climate changes have been drastic during earth' life. However, human civilization has not seen much of that. I don't think we could stomach a new Ice Age so easily, nor could we stomach the opposite that well.
            Don't be so pessimistic. Except maybe for cockroaches, humans are the only species that has adapted to any climate that exists. Agreed, if it should happen with the speed that insane "ice age doom" film claims (can't remember it's name), then it would be a problem, but since there will be a couple of hundred years, humans adapt. Of course it will be a problem if they figth a nuclear war about it.

            Humans are here only for a short time, and written history is in the blink of an eye. It could well be that whatever we do will not matter in the grand scheme of things, but that is not really what we are interested in, are we?
            Who knows ? Some may say that our technological stage and the way we organize society makes us voulnerable to climatic changes, but on the other side, it gives us some possibilities that the neanderthal didn't have.


            How is the ozone layer doing? Did the CFC's didn't matter either?

            We certainly don't know, but we do know that blasting the atmosphere full of dirt is not good for US, and that is why we should research, study and act to the best of our possibilities. And we have better posibilities then saying: Duh, we don't know nothing, let's make money and party.
            CFC was and IS a serious matter, because it destroyed (and is destroying) a protection, but CO2 is another matter because it may change our environment, not destroy it.

            I don't go for the "Duh, we don't know nothing, let's make money and party" way, i just want to make it reasonably secure that those wast amounts of ressources that greenhousers crave really are nessecary. That means serious research in the mechanics of this planets energy flow. We have one very big fusion reactor 300 mill km away from this planet, but very few has bothered to do research into how this primary source for energy affects what happens here. Actually, those who have dared to do such a thing has been rediculed (try google Svensmark).
            With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

            Steven Weinberg

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            • #126
              Could we have the hippie element VJ deported to, say, Classic Games?

              Jurassic Park is hardcore SF? Granted, it isn't space opera, but hardcore?
              Why can't you be a non-conformist just like everybody else?

              It's no good (from an evolutionary point of view) to have the physique of Tarzan if you have the sex drive of a philosopher. -- Michael Ruse
              The Nedaverse I can accept, but not the Berzaverse. There can only be so many alternate realities. -- Elok

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              • #127
                Originally posted by Odin
                I don't think we can't do anything to stop it because China and India will whine and b!tch if we try.
                US leads China by 10% in terms of global CO2 emissions. You guys can at least cut back some, yes?
                (\__/) 07/07/1937 - Never forget
                (='.'=) "Claims demand evidence; extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence." -- Carl Sagan
                (")_(") "Starting the fire from within."

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                • #128
                  Originally posted by Last Conformist
                  Could we have the hippie element VJ deported to, say, Classic Games?

                  Jurassic Park is hardcore SF? Granted, it isn't space opera, but hardcore?
                  Yes, in that it extrapolates from known science in a logical fashion; it doesn't even extrapolate very far. There are no huge leaps of faith in it.

                  What is your definition of hardcore SF?
                  No, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful.

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                  • #129
                    China is actually an example for the rest of us, since they are running at a breakneck economic expansion pace yet have still managed to CUT their emissions.
                    We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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                    • #130
                      Say WHAT?
                      No, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful.

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                      • #131
                        Originally posted by Ted Striker
                        China is actually an example for the rest of us, since they are running at a breakneck economic expansion pace yet have still managed to CUT their emissions.
                        China is the main reason the oil is so expensive - their demand is so high. They use it for electricity production, where air conditioners is a major consumer.

                        Oil
                        Nuclear Power
                        So get your Naomi Klein books and move it or I'll seriously bash your faces in! - Supercitizen to stupid students
                        Be kind to the nerdiest guy in school. He will be your boss when you've grown up!

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                        • #132
                          Originally posted by BlackCat


                          Don't be so pessimistic. Except maybe for cockroaches, humans are the only species that has adapted to any climate that exists.
                          Not quite true- humans adapt their environment too. Inuits wouldn't last too long without furs and icehouses and burning animal fats.

                          And I don't think you'll find any cockroaches in the frigid zones.
                          Vive la liberte. Noor Inayat Khan, Dachau.

                          ...patriotism is not enough. I must have no hatred or bitterness towards anyone. Edith Cavell, 1915

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                          • #133
                            Originally posted by The Mad Monk
                            Yes, in that it extrapolates from known science in a logical fashion; it doesn't even extrapolate very far. There are no huge leaps of faith in it.
                            Like DNA did not degrade after millions of years? What about the lovely diseases we have around? Think the dinosaurs have resistance to them?

                            Originally posted by The Mad Monk
                            What is your definition of hardcore SF?
                            Read Dragon's Egg for an example.
                            (\__/) 07/07/1937 - Never forget
                            (='.'=) "Claims demand evidence; extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence." -- Carl Sagan
                            (")_(") "Starting the fire from within."

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                            • #134
                              Originally posted by The Mad Monk


                              Yes, in that it extrapolates from known science in a logical fashion; it doesn't even extrapolate very far. There are no huge leaps of faith in it.
                              Well, that useable dinosaur DNA could be perserved for so long seems like a considerable leap of faith to me. Now, I'm not up to date on the pace of degradation by background radiation, so I shan't comment further.
                              What is your definition of hardcore SF?
                              I didn't say I had one. But from something called hardcore SF, I might have expected science to take a more central place. In JP, the biology seems like little more than a excuse for having big monsters with attendant action scenes, and the chaos theory stuff like Murphy's Law written large.
                              Why can't you be a non-conformist just like everybody else?

                              It's no good (from an evolutionary point of view) to have the physique of Tarzan if you have the sex drive of a philosopher. -- Michael Ruse
                              The Nedaverse I can accept, but not the Berzaverse. There can only be so many alternate realities. -- Elok

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                              • #135
                                Originally posted by Urban Ranger


                                Like DNA did not degrade after millions of years? What about the lovely diseases we have around? Think the dinosaurs have resistance to them?



                                Read Dragon's Egg for an example.

                                Tell me about it.
                                No, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful.

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