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  • #91
    Just to be sure i'm understood right (i know it's without hope, but anyway ). Both private persons and companies should be as clean as possible. That means neither of these can claim they have to pollute, because then they can't exist - that is BS. No, when i am talking about sane pollution, i'm talking about when it's reaching limits.

    In denmark it's a political choice that all water must be delivered from clean sources. That means that if a well is in any kind infested by f.ex. traces of insecticides, then the well is closed. This happens even though the measured amount is far beyond any safety limits and not even the possibilty of cleaning the water is accepted.

    I certainly agree that water shall be clean, but not accepting the cleaning possibillity, because it may weaken the general idea that the source shall be clean, i find a little rediculious - several drillings has been closed even though a simple active coal filter could have solved the problem.

    Well, maybe it's a luxury problem - with all that damn rain we have, we don't run out of clean water for several centuries
    With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

    Steven Weinberg

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    • #92
      Originally posted by Ted Striker
      With that line of thinking, we would still be using leaded gasoline and lead based paint.
      Who's talking about toxins? This is about global warming.

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      • #93
        Originally posted by Kuciwalker


        Who's talking about toxins? This is about global warming.
        No, it's about MC claiming that global warming may NOT be an issue.

        Do you have anything else than those meaningless singleliners you up till now has made you want to express, then please do it.
        With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

        Steven Weinberg

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        • #94
          I combatting Ted's meaningless singleliners.

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          • #95
            My one liners are meaningful.

            Yours are not.
            We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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            • #96
              Anyway, the point is that, whether or not global warming is real is irrelevent.


              The underlying "fixes" to global warming are what we should be shooting for anyway.


              I would say many in power are being hypocrites when they are claiming the sky would falling by actually doing something astonishing as eliminating dependence on foreign oil.

              It's bascially a case of people in power trying to protect their own financial interests.


              It is common knowledge that the original diesel engine was designed to run on clean vegetable oil. The introduction of crude oil came after the fact. And that was well over 100 years ago.

              EDIT: It was actually peanut oil, not vegetable oil
              Last edited by Ted Striker; December 12, 2004, 22:07.
              We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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              • #97
                Originally posted by Ted Striker
                My one liners are meaningful.


                The election has turned you from a serious poster into an inane caricature.

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                • #98
                  Kuci : You are in the lead with six meaningless singleliners to one from Ted, then i declare you as a winner. Now, since you have won this battle, please get back to subject.
                  With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

                  Steven Weinberg

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                  • #99
                    Originally posted by Kuciwalker




                    The election has turned you from a serious poster into an inane caricature.

                    Wrong, I was already a caricature, you are just slow on the uptake.
                    We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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                    • #100
                      Originally posted by DanS
                      Gatekeeper: Perhaps so, but from what I've seen, "concensus science" rests on "evidence" gleaned from mathematical models.
                      It depends on the field.

                      Originally posted by DanS
                      As Crichton points out, many of the components of these models are unknowable and therefore the models have no real scientific value.
                      This shows how much Crichton knows about science. Really, a model needs to be predictive to be of any value.
                      (\__/) 07/07/1937 - Never forget
                      (='.'=) "Claims demand evidence; extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence." -- Carl Sagan
                      (")_(") "Starting the fire from within."

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                      • #101
                        Originally posted by The Mad Monk
                        No, he just knows that nobody knows that much about global warming.
                        He thinks he knows, which doesn't count for anything.
                        (\__/) 07/07/1937 - Never forget
                        (='.'=) "Claims demand evidence; extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence." -- Carl Sagan
                        (")_(") "Starting the fire from within."

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                        • #102
                          Originally posted by Kuciwalker
                          Thirty years ago it was OMG WE'RE GOING TO HAVE AN ICE AGE RUN FOR YOUR LIVES. Why should we pay attention now?
                          30 years ago dioxin was harmless. Want to have some?
                          (\__/) 07/07/1937 - Never forget
                          (='.'=) "Claims demand evidence; extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence." -- Carl Sagan
                          (")_(") "Starting the fire from within."

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                          • #103
                            As Crichton points out, many of the components of these models are unknowable and therefore the models have no real scientific value.


                            I'm curious, which components are you referring to?
                            "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
                            -Bokonon

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                            • #104
                              Reading through his lecture, he spends maybe a couple paragraphs talking about globalr warming. It's just a bunch of other crap, and he's trying to tar global warming with the same brush.

                              I also found it amusing that he quoted Edward Teller in a lecture about criticizing politically motivated hack science.
                              "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
                              -Bokonon

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                              • #105
                                Has anyone read the book? Is it any good?
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