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  • #46
    Originally posted by child of Thor
    I dont think robbers get much sympathy from the general public, which is fair.
    If robbers don't get much sympathy from the general public then what exactly is so awful about the current system, where members of the general public (And thus the CPS who won't want to prosecute people who probably won't get convicted) sit on a jury to determine if someone has crossed over the line with regards to defending themselves against burglars?

    Sure, I've got no problem with the laws being made less vague, but show me one case where a Briton has killed someone breaking into their house in self-defence (NB, shooting them as they run away does not, and will never count, no matter how many senior police comment on the issue) and ended up in jail as a result and then maybe I'll care a bit more.

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    • #47
      The infamous case of Tony Martin is an interesting one to study. He was jailed for shooting dead one burglar and injuring another.

      He's out of jail now, and is being championed by those who think shooting burglars is groovy. He's also costing the taxpayer rather a lot of money in police protection to stop friends and family of the dead burglars from killing him.
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      • #48
        My dog barks once before she goes in for the kill...
        Monkey!!!

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        • #49
          Originally posted by Urban Ranger


          Yeah, "reasonable force" should be better defined. It seems to me that it's only fair that you can use a baseball bat or a golf club if the intruder has a knife.
          but then burgulars will just bring boards with nails in them, forcing the construction of even bigger boards, with even bigger nails, until, one day, we build a board with a nail in it so big that it will destroy us all!

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp
            The infamous case of Tony Martin is an interesting one to study. He was jailed for shooting dead one burglar and injuring another.

            He's out of jail now, and is being championed by those who think shooting burglars is groovy. He's also costing the taxpayer rather a lot of money in police protection to stop friends and family of the dead burglars from killing him.
            now THAT just jumps out of me.

            "all he ever did was try to earn an honest living"

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            • #51
              Re: Re: Re: Self defense of the home(UK)

              Originally posted by DinoDoc
              You fire warning shots?
              Yeah, I'd have to agree. A fire arm is for killing and if you don't intend to shoot to kill then don't shoot.
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              • #52
                I hope you never get drunk enough that you enter the wrong house at night.

                It happened to a former co-worker of mine. She was shot dead before she could say a word.

                There but for the grace of God go I. I've been drunk, very drunk before, dropped off or taken a cab home. I could have tried to enter or enter an adjacent apartment, the doors all look the same in an alcoholic stupor.

                Such is the result of your notions. Shoot first, ask questions later. 100 guilty persons escaping is a small price to pay for the life of an innocent.
                Those are the consequences of drinking, and not being able to control it - or at least the possible consequences. You accept certain risks when you drink, and one of those is doing something stupid and taking the consequences. If you commit a crime, you'll still go to jail after all.
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                • #53
                  He's out of jail now, and is being championed by those who think shooting burglars is groovy. He's also costing the taxpayer rather a lot of money in police protection to stop friends and family of the dead burglars from killing him.
                  Oh, and isn't that what the police are ****ING for? You know, stopping criminals from shooting innocent people?
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                  • #54
                    The point is any burglar entering a house is going to shoot anybody inside the house on sight under such a hypothetical scenario.
                    Except that the obvious fact is that in the US, not every burglary - or anywhere near every one - ends in a murder.
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                    • #55
                      Those are the consequences of drinking, and not being able to control it - or at least the possible consequences. You accept certain risks when you drink, and one of those is doing something stupid and taking the consequences. If you commit a crime, you'll still go to jail after all.


                      Being killed is an appropriate consequence for accidentally walking into the wrong house?
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                      • #56
                        Not necessarily, but shooting someone who breaks into your house is a perfectly reasonable response to the breaking and entering. You have a right to protect yourself from reasonable danger, whether perceived or actual. Just because the person who broke in made a mistake doesn't mean that your right to shoot him suddenly goes away - you have no idea who the person is or why he is there, yet the courts recognize that it is reasonable for you to perceive that you are in a great deal of danger and as such you are allowed, at least in the state of Texas, to take reasonable steps to protect yourself. Those steps include shooting someone who is inside your house.
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                        • #57
                          Thankfully, my moral code isn't dictated by the Texas gov't.
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                          • #58
                            Nor is mine, but in this case my moral code is upheld by the Texas government.

                            To directly answer your question - Yes, I think it is perfectly appropriate to shoot someone who breaks into your house, regardless of circumstances.

                            If you know it's a drunk person who means no harm and is trying to get home, then by all means you shouldn't shoot them, but you really have no way of knowing that (without asking and giving yourself away).
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                            • #59
                              Yes, that's why you don't shoot unless you're physically threatened.
                              "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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                              • #60
                                Re: Re: Re: Re: Self defense of the home(UK)

                                Originally posted by Oerdin


                                Yeah, I'd have to agree. A fire arm is for killing and if you don't intend to shoot to kill then don't shoot.
                                its a hypothetical situation to show an example of where you did not feel your life was in danger.

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