If one of them succeeds, is it an act of war?

[Dis]

I can't imagine how high the casualty rate will be for this unit.

[problem_child]

The thing that gets me is that Iran is supporting aggresive-suicide for the sake of chauvanism. Aggressive-suicide is bad enough (creepy & wrong) and where one can see how Kamekaze troops and pilots giving their life to destroy enemy soldiers in war, or even how Palestinian (teens who know no better, and are easily manipulated by older folk) might convince themselves that blowing themselves up as well as a bunch of total strangers of various ages and persuasions is somehow good, and approved of by this 'Allah' god of theirs,

what's Irans excuse?

It's not occupied by Isreal or any foreign occupyer, and the US sponsored tyranny of the Shah is long gone. Maybe it's Iranian ideology that 'Allah' wants muslims to kill themselves and non-believers in gerenral. Perhaps Iran belives that this is the central message of Islam.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


We didn't declare war on Michicagn.

Um, first of all, Michigan did NOT support McVeigh.

Last time I checked Che, there was no hostility between Michigan and the rest of United States.




It's just strange to me that people often use the tactic, "Oh, but suicide bombing is same as . . . ." when clearly, the examples they come up with are nothing like suicide bombing attacks.

[Sirotnikov]

Re: Re: If one of them succeeds, is it an act of war?

Originally posted by Urban Ranger

Condoning is not the same as supporting.

In a country with totalitarian authoritarian regime - yes it is.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by MrFun
Last time I checked Che, there was no hostility between Michigan and the rest of United States.

Obviously you don't watch basketball.

Also, you need to consider the entire disussion, rather than taking one quote out of context.

[GePap]

Originally posted by DanS


How do we know that this group hasn't already blown up Americans in Iraq.

Answer is, NO, in no way or form does it constitute an act of war.

[Tripledoc]

The US will never attack Iran for the simple reason it can't. Iran has apparently bought plenty of Russian Sunburn anti-ship cruise missiles.

When a couple of chinese destroyers equipped with these sailed into the pacific all the US aircraft carriers sailed into the Indian ocean.

It took ten long years for the American airforce to degrade the Iraqi air defences sufficently to bomb with impunity.

The Iranian defense is tight, very large, technologically advanced and has a high morale.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Tripledoc
It took ten long years for the American airforce to degrade the Iraqi air defences sufficently to bomb with impunity.

That is a mistatement of reality. U.S forces acheived air superiority Jan. 16, 1990.

Do not misunderestimate us. There is a reason we are King Kong.

[Shi Huangdi]

"Last time I checked Che, there was no hostility between Michigan and the rest of United States."

I, for one, hate the State of Michigan.

But not as much as I hate the state of Iowa.

[Arrian]

10 years to acheive air superiority !!

The Iraqi airfarce ran away because they were actually smart enough to know the best they could do was get slaughtered!

-Arrian

[Tripledoc]

It is true that the US had air superiority, but that is not semantically the same as beeing able to bomb with impunity. I believe I said 'impunity'.

[chequita guevara]

We pretty much bombed with impunity. IIRC, they shot down less than a dozen planes if the first war, and none since then. Serbia, IIRC, only managed to shoot down one plane. Iran will get some, but most of the air defences will be taken out by tomahawks and stealth planes first.

[Lonestar]

Originally posted by Tripledoc
The US will never attack Iran for the simple reason it can't. Iran has apparently bought plenty of Russian Sunburn anti-ship cruise missiles.

OH NO NOT SUNBURNS! And they bought plenty of Silkworms(seersuckers), not Sunburns. They don't have many Sunburns.

When a couple of chinese destroyers equipped with these sailed into the pacific all the US aircraft carriers sailed into the Indian ocean.

Horse****.

All they did was maintain their distance and track them. An American CVBG can kill at much farther range, and with a higher probability of success, than short-range cruise missiles on short-range destroyers.

It took ten long years for the American airforce to degrade the Iraqi air defences sufficently to bomb with impunity.

See Che's post.

The Iranian defense is tight, very large,

True.

technologically advanced

Is not.

and has a high morale.

Which means jack-all when the TLAMs and JDAMs start falling.

[GePap]

To join the groundless speculations:

The two big difference between Iran and Iraq are:

1. Scale: Iran is far larger

2. terrain- Iraq is nice and flat, Iran is not.

those two simple facts would make an air war over Iran much more difficult, if only cause the Iranians will be able to hide better.

[Lonestar]

Originally posted by GePap
To join the groundless speculations:

The two big difference between Iran and Iraq are:

1. Scale: Iran is far larger

American Aviators and Pilots routinely practice over areas and distances larger than many countries. The difference doesn't matter.

2. terrain- Iraq is nice and flat, Iran is not.

And what was Serbia, Kansas?