You may now remove your tinfoil hats: (Official Recount Thread)

[Sava]

Originally posted by mrmitchell
No.

It's so terrible that Bush won, but the chance has passed. Short of the discovery and media reportation of massive election fraud in all 50 states, there will be no changing who we have for President over the next 4 years.

However--yes, I would be interested in knowing the final tally, be it 150,000 for Bush, 75,000 for Bush, or 6 for Bush...let's prepare our sights for 2006.

smartest thing said in this entire thread...

[JimmyCracksCorn]

Originally posted by Lincoln
At the risk of infringing on a slogan that may be copywrited I should say that Bush has the moral authority to insist on a recount because he won the popular vote...

Then let him, although I'd think that would be the last thing he'd want.

Shi:

Read here about undervotes. They're real and they will be counted.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6368819/#041118a

[JimmyCracksCorn]

Originally posted by Sava
smartest thing said in this entire thread...

What happened to you Sava? You used to care about these things...

But its all good. Because the vote will be counted regardless of do-nothing democratics.

[Shi Huangdi]

Friday, November 19, 2004
Summary of provisional ballots count - UPDATED 11/19/04

Current % of provisionals certified (of counties reported):
74%

Current "additional" vote count:
Bush +6,202
Kerry + 4,084

Where in that link does it say Undervotes will be counted?

Give it up, Kerry conceded for a reason. This election is over.

[JimmyCracksCorn]

Originally posted by Shi Huangdi
Friday, November 19, 2004
Summary of provisional ballots count - UPDATED 11/19/04

Current % of provisionals certified (of counties reported):
74%

Current "additional" vote count:
Bush +6,202
Kerry + 4,084

Where in that link does it say Undervotes will be counted?

Give it up, Kerry conceded for a reason. This election is over.

Thats still the initial count. Undervotes only become an issue in a recount. Do you understand what a recount is?

[JimmyCracksCorn]

This isn't just about provisional ballots, if it were there'd be no need for a recount. Provisional ballots are counted regardless of a recount or not. The recount is for these 93,000 undervotes. It doesn't say this outright in that link because any doofus knows thats the point of any recount.

[MalevolentLight]

aside from some independently wealthy private citizen (who all vote Bush anyways)

Wow, I had no idea that there were actually people on here that are legally retarded. Do you even know who George Soros is? How about like all of Hollywood? Where were you this election? In your parent's basement? Wow, I am just shocked. But then again, I am glad you are a Democract.

Oh, and it's also interesting how you refer to Republicans as rednecks and being trailer trash, yet you then try to say only wealthy people vote Republican. Funny how the places that vote Democrat are the most expensive places to live in.

[JimmyCracksCorn]

A historical example of undervotes:

The Gore team subsequently filed four more suits on other legal issues: all four were struck down by lower courts, but the Florida Supreme Court reversed the decision in the last case, Gore v. Harris, on December 9, stating that Harris could not halt the recount of potential undervotes in the targeted counties. The Bush team filed for certiorari to the U.S. Supreme Court on the basis that the Florida court's opinion was contrary to the U.S. Constitution.

In Florida 2000, Gore lost because a court order halted the count of undervotes. Thats why every media sponsered unofficial recount has found Gore to be the winner.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_v._Gore

[JimmyCracksCorn]

Originally posted by MalevolentLight


Wow, I had no idea that there were actually people on here that are legally retarded. Do you even know who George Soros is? How about like all of Hollywood? Where were you this election? In your parent's basement? Wow, I am just shocked. But then again, I am glad you are a Democract.

Because Hollywood actors and other media celebrities are generally imbeciles, like yourself, who wouldn't know what a recount was enough to call one.

But I'm glad the only thing you could actually comment on in this thread was one off topic comment. You're really smart

Edit:

Oh, and it's also interesting how you refer to Republicans as rednecks and being trailer trash, yet you then try to say only wealthy people vote Republican.

When did I say that?

[MalevolentLight]

Because Hollywood actors and other media celebrities are generally imbeciles, like yourself, who wouldn't know what a recount was enough to call one.

Kind of like your extraordinary knowledge of a state's ability to "succeed"?

[Ming]

Hey... enough with the personal crap... both of you!

[chequita guevara]

JCC, don't dismiss overvotes so quickly. Most overvotes are not where someone votes for two different candidates, but where someone votes for the same candidate twice, by punching the ballot in the indicated place, then writing in the same person in the place indicated for a write-in.

[Shi Huangdi]

Recounting of undervotes depends on State Election Law.

"

Thats still the initial count. Undervotes only become an issue in a recount. Do you understand what a recount is?"

Yes, but in your scenario Kerry needs both the Provisional and Undervotes by a large margin, and in the provisional sphere he isn't getting it.

[JimmyCracksCorn]

Originally posted by MalevolentLight


Kind of like your extraordinary knowledge of a state's ability to "succeed"?

That wasn't me who said that. That was LOA if I recall.

JCC, don't dismiss overvotes so quickly. Most overvotes are not where someone votes for two different candidates, but where someone votes for the same candidate twice, by punching the ballot in the indicated place, then writing in the same person in the place indicated for a write-in.

This is true. How many overvotes are there expected to be, or are they lumped in with the undervote estimate?

[JimmyCracksCorn]

Yes, but in your scenario Kerry needs both the Provisional and Undervotes by a large margin, and in the provisional sphere he isn't getting it.

Well I don't know where that came from that you quoted, but every estimate I've seen has said that 81% of the provisional ballots were valid. And why do you discount Kerry getting most of them? He may very well not get many, but in 2000 Gore got around 90% of them in Ohio. History often repeats itself, more or less.