Queen bans fox hunting!

[Sava]

the Kuciwalkerverse is a strange place

[Kuciwalker]

And thus Sava has pwned me, with his unstoppable arguments...

[Sava]

arguing against many of the "points" you are making would be a waste of my time because they border on complete lunacy. I don't argue against stupid, I just point and laugh.

Animals don't feel pain? You obviously need some professional help. I guess that means torturing animals is impossible because they can't feel pain.

[Kuciwalker]

Uh, yes, Sava, that is my point.

Embryos dont' feel pain? You obviously need some profession help. I guess that means that abortion is murder, because they can't feel pain.

[Immortal Wombat]

Animals don't feel pain? You obviously need some professional help. I guess that means torturing animals is impossible because they can't feel pain.

And one-year old children of course. They aren't sentient either.

[Kuciwalker]

They are sentient. In fact, I think sentience begins in humans at the start of the third trimester. Which is why I'm against third-trimester abortions.

[Sava]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
They are sentient. In fact, I think sentience begins in humans at the start of the third trimester. Which is why I'm against third-trimester abortions.

and proof of this is?

[Kuciwalker]

Brain activity, and the fact that they are human brains. I am sentient, and my brain is practically similar to other humans' brains, therefore they ought to be sentient as well. In addition, sentience does not seem to depend on pure computational power, but actual constitution, so it makes sense that the brains of fetuses, once active, would also be sentient, because they have the same pattern as my brain.

Read the thread.

[Sava]

I agree... your brain is similar to a fetus.

[Kuciwalker]

As is yours.

[Az]

People calling Kuci crazy

too bad you can't understand the difference between personal empathy and ethical reasoning. Do you people base all of your ethical on your emotions?

[Immortal Wombat]

Sammy is embarrassed. A few months ago, Sammy might have happily danced in front of a dozen adults, but now his reaction to the all the attention is different. He's showing what's called "exposure embarrassment," a feeling that comes when children are aware that they have become the object of other peoples' attention. His father, seeing this embarrassment, takes Sammy out of the spotlight and together they play with a toy.

For parents and caregivers, Sammy's new reaction to his family's pride is a moment worth celebrating. Sammy's embarrassment shows that he has reached an important new stage in his emotional development. He's become more self-aware, and that's quite an achievement.

With this new self-awareness, Sammy also experiences new emotions like empathy and envy.

The rouge test.

Most babies love mirrors. If you hold a baby in front of a mirror, she may smile, pat the glass, or even try to lick her reflection. She might see you in the glass and give you another big, heartwarming smile.

Mirrors also make great scientific tools, helping us understand when children reach new levels of self-awareness and how certain emotions develop.

In one experiment, researchers asked a group of mothers and their babies, aged 9 to 24 months, to play in front of a mirror. First, the researchers watched to see how each baby acted when placed in front of a mirror. Next, each of the mothers pretended to wipe dirt off her baby's face—but they were really putting a small dab of rouge on the tip of the baby's nose. Then the babies were placed in front of the mirror again, to see what they would do. Would they notice the red spot on their noses? Would they recognize that something was different about their faces and try to wipe the red spot off? (Lewis & Brooks-Gunn, 1979).

Reflections in the mirror.

Before they're 15 months old, babies don't seem to recognize themselves as themselves in the mirror. These young babies stared at their reflections and may have found the face familiar to them, but they didn't react differently when they saw the red spots on their noses. By 24 months, every baby tried to touch or wipe his/her nose. These babies knew that they were the same as the baby in the mirror! They had reached a new level of self-awareness.

Researchers also studied children's self-awareness as a way to learn about emotions like exposure embarrassment. First, they used the rouge test to see which of the babies tried to touch or wipe the red spots on their noses. Then they overly complimented the children to see if they would get embarrassed. For example, the children were told many times that they were smart, cute, had beautiful hair and lovely clothes. Other children were asked to dance in front of a group of unfamiliar adults. The children who touched their red noses in the mirror were the only ones who showed exposure embarrassment. Those who didn't touch their noses did not show signs of being embarrassed (Lewis et al., 1989).

Read something other than a thread.

[GePap]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
Uh, yes, Sava, that is my point.

Embryos dont' feel pain? You obviously need some profession help. I guess that means that abortion is murder, because they can't feel pain.

First you say you see no difference between a 20 kiloton bomb and a 100 megaton bomb, which is a complete absurdity, and then you says this idiocy.

Of course mammals feel pain- it is beyond obvious- it can be empirically proven- its called training animals- the whole notion of giving a shock to an animal as adverse training- that could never ever work if an animal did not feel pain- the point of this type of training is to make animals avoid an action because an unwanted stimulus will be given, and they learn this.

We have been training animals for decades. So we have decades of proof that animals feel pain and do what they can to avoid it.

So what possible evidence do you have? Cause the side that says animals feel pain has actual experiemntal proof, while you have theoreitcal suppositions, whihc are flawed anyways.

[reds4ever]

*PLEASE* tell me you're trolling Kuci, I'd hate to think someone who is intelligent enough to put his arguments as cognizantly as you do actually believes that cr@p.

[GePap]

Originally posted by Azazel
People calling Kuci crazy

too bad you can't understand the difference between personal empathy and ethical reasoning. Do you people base all of your ethical on your emotions?

Yes, that is the basis of all such beliefs, not reason.