Oh great, the Republicans want a FLAT TAX

[Velociryx]

*shakes head*

Again, you miss the point.

Yes, I was unemployed for a year thanks to the robust Bush-era economy we have.

And, contrary to your post, I DID do something about it. And I didn't lose my house. Never mind that it was a near thing, the point is...I worked it out.

There wasn't any of this hand wringing nonsense and "oh-how-awful" b*tching and moaning.

There was a problem to be addressed and fixed, and it got fixed.

So too, will this problem, should it arise.

And that, you can take to the bank.

-=Vel=-

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

All depends, Michael Moore *****ed and moaned himself into a right nice fortune.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Velociryx
Hey now....don't you go on about the banks....which can't even EXIST in the Kidaverse (no interest = somewhat difficult to have banking)

Let's just say it's a different type of bank.

(and yes...banks can and do fail. Worse, corporate leeches make huge messes like Enron and WorldCom....and when that happens, some people b*tch and moan, and others buck up and work it out. Which category do you suppose finds the greater success, in the end?)

Depends on what your goal is. If you only care about how much money you make I guess you could do real fine in a system like this if you don't mind stepping on some heads.

[Japher]

I think what Vel is saying is;

it don't matter what the hell the government does with taxes, I am smart enough to win the economics game. all I need is to the know the rules and enough to time to adjust when they are changed.

[AnnC]

If you advocate (or are willing to tolerate) a national sales tax, there are a few things that you need to understand:

1. To be revenue-neutral, a national sales tax would have be 27-33% (depending on who's doing the analysis) and it would have to apply to every transaction wherein somebody buys a product or service. So if you buy a house, you pay ~30% sales tax. If you go to the doctor or enter the hospital, you pay sales tax on the fees. If have a cleaning service or home-repair contractor do work for you, you pay sales tax. You won't be able to avoid the sales tax simply by growing your own vegetables.

2. A national sales tax penalizes consumption, which might be a good thing (in theory) given the materialism of our culture. But some people, like middle-income families with children, have little choice when it comes to consumption - they've got to spend whatever it takes to feed, clothe, and house their children. They don't have the flexibility that a single man does.

3. Right-wingers are the ones who support a national sales tax, and these are the same people who claim to be ardent free traders. They don't want any kind of tariff or trade barrier on transactions across international boundaries, yet they're willing to impose a ~30% tariff on our domestic trade. So you can see what will happen: consumers will have a huge incentive to buy goods outside of the US (which is easy to do on the internet) and our domestic economy will suffer even more than it already has.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Velociryx
Yes, I was unemployed for a year thanks to the robust Bush-era economy we have.

I see. People are only unemployed for a year or more under presidents like Bush. Now which of those chose to be unemployed, those who were unemployed when Clinton was president?

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Japher
I think what Vel is saying is;

it don't matter what the hell the government does with taxes, I am smart enough to win the economics game. all I need is to the know the rules and enough to time to adjust when they are changed.

And that's the lie.

[MrFun]

What's a greater concern -- upper class not being able to afford a yacht.

Or, a lower class family whose basic quality of life is stagnating, if not worsening.






think about this before answering

[Velociryx]

LOL!

Good point, Master Og!

I would contend though, that Moore is first and foremost an entertainer who knows his audience and simply gives them what they want...

And Kid....I just got back yesterday, are you SURE you wanna fire up the cap com debate in the middle of this fine thread?

If you do, please open a new thread and I will entertain you for HOURS beating my head against that thick wall you cast up to shut out such trivialities as facts and econoimic realities.

'k?



-=Vel=-

[Japher]

What's a greater concern -- upper class not being able to afford a yacht.

Or, a lower class family whose basic quality of life is stagnating, if not worsening.

The two are related...

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Velociryx
LOL!

Good point, Master Og!

I would contend though, that Moore is first and foremost an entertainer who knows his audience and simply gives them what they want...

And Kid....I just got back yesterday, are you SURE you wanna fire up the cap com debate in the middle of this fine thread?

If you do, please open a new thread and I will entertain you for HOURS beating my head against that thick wall you cast up to shut out such trivialities as facts and econoimic realities.

'k?



-=Vel=-

No. I don't have unlimited resources like you claim to have. I don't have time for that.

[Arrian]

Vel,

Your time would be better spent and more appreciated in the Gathering Storm forum. We're trying to break Legos! Think of the Storm Chickens, man!



-Arrian

[Velociryx]

AnnC - Quite agree, however, every veggie I grow in my back yard, and every service I barter for, that's one thing I dodge the bullet on, tax-wise....and believe me...I'll be looking to dodge as many as I possibly can!

-=Vel=-

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Japher


The two are related...

Right -- and pigs and ostriches are related somehow in your little world too.

[Geronimo]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui


Only for a few years... which is why Bush is pushing for his cuts to be permanent. It was originally for 5 years, I think, just for recovery purposes.

Even if 'permanent' they will still be as simple to remove as they were to enact in the first place right?