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Just convince any of the right-wing Fundie nutters that seem to have taken near complete control of the 'pugs, that it (VAT) is somewhere in the bible and they'll be all over it!
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VAT = Value Added Tax. Very simplistically meaning that at every stage of production, a tax is levied. By the time the product gets to market, it's got a hefty tax built into the price. It's a behind the scenes tax, so you generally don't notice it like you would a sales tax. The issue with imports is that you import a finished product, so that tax at each stage doesn't exist - effectively, the product can be tax free unless you have some sort of duty or sales tax in place.Originally posted by chegitz guevara
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You almost created the great circle of money!Money creates jobs. The two are vurtually the same thing. You only have to determine who will have the money. The jobs follow. That is, as long as the money is spentComment
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Everyone who can, does avoid taxes. That's something completely different. btw, you sure are conceding a lot today.Originally posted by Velociryx
Nope. Everyone who pays taxes is definitely not stupid, however...if you are presented with an untentable situation and do nothing, when a viable option to provide at least some relief is staring you in the face....then yeah. That's pretty dumb. If that offends anyone's tender sensibilities, then I apoligize in advance.
You would have to say that to justify capitalism I would think. It's just not true.And it flows both ways, actually. The rich depend on the poor, who depend on the rich. It cuts both ways. Always has.I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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I didn't create anything Japher. That's the way it works. When rich people buy things they create jobs, and when poor people buy things they create jobs. If you only claim one, you are lying.Originally posted by Japher
You almost created the great circle of money!I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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Simba,Originally posted by Japher
You almost created the great circle of money!
We are part of the great circle of money....
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That's hardly a concession. You and I just define "can" differently (and apparently, radically differently, at that!)
As to the other....as you said yourself, money creates jobs. Where will this money and these jobs come from, if not from those who HAVE the money?
Thus, the poor need the rich.
And of course, I'm sure you have loads and loads of examples of the opposite case, yes?
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I'm no economist, but the basic idea is when you sell something, you pay 25% of the pretax price in VAT. Then you get back the VAT paid on the stuff you paid on the stuff you bought to make the thing. Net, you pay 25% of the added value that you inflicted on the product.Originally posted by chegitz guevara
How do VATs work?
From the consumers perspective, it means everything gets 25% more expensive.
There are some exceptions; houses, financial services, rents, healthcare, and a few more things. Yeah, and books, because the state thinks a reading citizen is a good citizen; I have my doubts on that one, but since I buy more books than most people, I don't complain. There's a lower rate for foodstuffs - 12% I think.
And of course there's the "grey economy"; if you sell your old computer to your friend for a hundred bucks, it's not like you're gonna pay any VAT. I do not know where the exact limits of legality go here.Why can't you be a non-conformist just like everybody else?
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We only need the rich as long as they have the money and the power.Originally posted by Velociryx
That's hardly a concession. You and I just define "can" differently (and apparently, radically differently, at that!)
As to the other....as you said yourself, money creates jobs. Where will this money and these jobs come from, if not from those who HAVE the money?
Thus, the poor need the rich.
And of course, I'm sure you have loads and loads of examples of the opposite case, yes?
-=Vel=-I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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Hey...I'm all about it.
The Fundiecrats won.
Congrats! Now your man controls the big house, and all his cronies control the Congress.
Let's see what they do! I ain't scared...BRING IT!
And you wanna know why?
Cos if this silly tax revison passes (to say nothing of the rest of the Fundiecrat agenda) it is gonna FVCK this country hard....all the "good old folks" who voted for the Shrub cos he was "just regular folks" are going to find out firsthand what a good old fashioned prison-style economic raping is all about.
When that happens, any Dem with a PULSE will be able to win the next election.
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Kid...but um....that's why we call them "the rich" Get it? LOL!
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I guess that would eliminate Sava's nominationany Dem with a PULSE will be able to win the next election
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Depends. Herearounds, at least, sellers of relatively expensive things like home electronics (TV sets, computers, etc) like to state the pretax price, which means you notice the extra dozens or hundreds of bucks you have to pay in VAT alot.Originally posted by Kontiki
[VAT is] a behind the scenes tax, so you generally don't notice it like you would a sales tax.Why can't you be a non-conformist just like everybody else?
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I think that if you had some sort of equivilent tax on imports that there would be no significant effect on the trade balance.Originally posted by chegitz guevara
How do VATs work?I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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The Dems have to start fighting back, though, Vel. They need to stop trying to imitate the Repubs on values, and instead talk simply about THEIR values.Originally posted by Velociryx
Hey...I'm all about it.
The Fundiecrats won.
Congrats! Now your man controls the big house, and all his cronies control the Congress.
Let's see what they do! I ain't scared...BRING IT!
And you wanna know why?
Cos if this silly tax revison passes (to say nothing of the rest of the Fundiecrat agenda) it is gonna FVCK this country hard....all the "good old folks" who voted for the Shrub cos he was "just regular folks" are going to find out firsthand what a good old fashioned prison-style economic raping is all about.
When that happens, any Dem with a PULSE will be able to win the next election.
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People like us keep assuming that gross incompetance will get a party thrown out of office all by itself. This election has proven that is not the case. It takes more than that. The religionista<->uberrich alliance has really sunk their claws in. It's gonna take work to get 'em back out.
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