Screw the IRS.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Oh yeah... I forgot..... poor people deserve all of their problems, those... those... lazy bastards!

[Spiffor]

Much better now

I can now resume my loathing of the evil American Republican that you are

[David Floyd]

Well, *I* certainly don't deserve to shoulder the burden of other people's problems. That certainly isn't fair.

[Dinner]

Re: Screw the IRS.

Originally posted by Kaak
Someone told me that if we said F*** the IRS, screw all the tax loopholes, writeoffs everything, the only write off to leave would be for donations to charities, everyone would pay about 14.5% income tax. Yes, i'm suggesting a flat tax.

the gov't would save the BILLIONS the IRS uses

The only people who like flat taxes are the rich who pay currently higher tax rates. The poor and middle class who'd see their taxes rise under a flat tax don't like the idea. Personally, I think it is moral that we charge the poor a lower rate then the rich.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by David Floyd
Well, *I* certainly don't deserve to shoulder the burden of other people's problems. That certainly isn't fair.

That depends upon how much you make.

[David Floyd]

Really? So, depending on how much money I make, it's fair to make me financially solve the problems of others? How do ya figure?

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by David Floyd
Well, *I* certainly don't deserve to shoulder the burden of other people's problems. That certainly isn't fair.

You're human aren't you? As a meber of a species of social animals, you must definately do deserve to shoulder the burdens of others. That's who we survive. If you don't want to contribute your share to society, then you should expect nothing at all in return from society. Nothing, no commerce, no contact, no protection, not even a conversation. You're either with us or against us.

[David Floyd]

My share to society? What? I still haven't figured out how my contribution is in proportion to what the deadbeats contribute. If I owe more to others just on the basis that I make more than them, that sounds horribly arbitrary and unfair.

[Ramo]

Progressive taxes.

[Dauphin]

Well, life is unfair, being born into a poor family or a poor nation is unfair on those born into it. Don't expect fairness, because when all is said and done you are lucky to be born where and when and to who you were.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by David Floyd
If I owe more to others just on the basis that I make more than them, that sounds horribly arbitrary and unfair.

Life ain't fair.

[David Floyd]

OK, then that argument can be just as easily applied to those who don't have anything. You're starving? Sorry, life ain't fair.

That's a silly argument - of course life isn't fair, but that doesn't oblige me to help those less fortunate than myself.

If, as you guys seem to think, the point of society is mutual support and protection, then it seems that the best way to accomplish that is to get rid of those who don't contribute to that support and protection. Of course, *I* think the point of society is to protect individual rights.

Anyway, I'm off to play disc golf.

[Arrian]

The only way I'd support a flat tax or a sales tax would be if it were structured to exempt a TON of things from the tax... which would end up making it similar to the current progressive tax system.

Kaak - based on what you've said, you appear to be rich, or at the very least "well off." Consider this: by paying a higher rate, and thus more taxes than your family would under a flat tax, you are effectively paying off the undermensch so they don't go and have a revolution. It's a deal (a New one, at least 60 yrs ago). Suck it up, 'cause the alternative is much worse.

-Arrian

[GePap]

Originally posted by David Floyd
Well, *I* certainly don't deserve to shoulder the burden of other people's problems. That certainly isn't fair.

There is no "fair" in the universe-the faster you get that fact into your head, the better you will be.

[GePap]

Originally posted by David Floyd
OK, then that argument can be just as easily applied to those who don't have anything. You're starving? Sorry, life ain't fair.

That's a silly argument - of course life isn't fair, but that doesn't oblige me to help those less fortunate than myself.

The fact you live in a society does- want to live free? Go become a hermit. Otherwise, accept the reality that humanity is a social species and that you have to live within the construct- the vest majority of humanity does not support your notion- tough.

If, as you guys seem to think, the point of society is mutual support and protection, then it seems that the best way to accomplish that is to get rid of those who don't contribute to that support and protection. Of course, *I* think the point of society is to protect individual rights.

That only makes those individual enemies, making this more difficult. Oh, and what ou think is wrong- the long span of human history is against you.