The Uselessness of Private Charity

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Oncle Boris
Would you resort to a McJob if you were really deep into manure?

Lesse, work at a McJob or have all my **** thrown on the street? S'not a hard choice. I'm not worried about that until February.

[Fake Boris]

Don't be offended, it's just that from your tone you looked like you were already in deep trouble.

[Asher]

che...there is virtually no job market for "web designers".

You need to study something else, or you'll always be in this situation. You'll get the odd short-term job, but that's it...

[Agathon]

That would be hard to judge.
But I'd be willing to bet that most reputable charities (especially after the united way scandal) have a lower administration % than the government.

You are flat out wrong. That is not the point. Only the state can effectively meet welfare needs because leaving it to private contributions creates a collective action problem - most people would prefer it if others weren't living in misery, but they are quite happy for someone else to pay for it - hence hardly anyone does.

As usual the political right are completely out to lunch on how to solve an obvious social problem.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Agathon
As usual the political right are completely out to lunch on how to solve an obvious social problem.

Welfare encourages people like che to stick with an obvious dead-end career choice instead of re-training into something the market actually demands.

Make student loans easily accessible and subsidize education -- especially for students with family or dependents -- and let them become a valuable person in the market.

Welfare cheques solve nothing.

As usual the political left are completely out to lunch on how to solve an obvious social problem -- Welfare is not a solution.

[chequita guevara]

Who's on welfare? I'm on unemployment. Last time I tried to get the government to pay for me to be retrained they said it wasn't feasable. They only pay for programs which result in degrees or certificates, and none of those are less than six months, assuming I want to continue to work with computers.

[Dis]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


And exactly how many of those are for web designers? Three? I've already applied to them. For ost of the rest, I'm either over or under qualified.

sad but true, but the demand for web designers is not there anymore.

[Asher]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Who's on welfare? I'm on unemployment. Last time I tried to get the government to pay for me to be retrained they said it wasn't feasable. They only pay for programs which result in degrees or certificates, and none of those are less than six months, assuming I want to continue to work with computers.

Unemployment is good and should be supported by the government.

But they should also do everything to help you learn what you want to learn to get a better job. It's in the country's interest, and yours.

[Dis]

I'm really at a point now in my life, I'm just not sure what I'm good at. I guess I'm good at nothing. I thought I would be better at the job I'm currently working. I'm just not the type of person who enjoys being near the bottom in terms of work skills. I like being #1.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Dissident
I'm really at a point now in my life, I'm just not sure what I'm good at. I guess I'm good at nothing. I thought I would be better at the job I'm currently working. I'm just not the type of person who enjoys being near the bottom in terms of work skills. I like being #1.

Aggressively gun for your manager's job.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Dissident
sad but true, but the demand for web designers is not there anymore.

Oh no, there's still a demand, just not in Jax. I've sent out thirteen resumes in the last two hours, and I'm still going. It's this whole employers wanting local candidates thing that's killing me, plus living in the South, where people are assumed to be not as good as a Yankee with the same skills (but I AM A YANKEE!!!).

[Agathon]

Welfare encourages people like che to stick with an obvious dead-end career choice instead of re-training into something the market actually demands.

Make student loans easily accessible and subsidize education -- especially for students with family or dependents -- and let them become a valuable person in the market.

Welfare cheques solve nothing.

As usual the political left are completely out to lunch on how to solve an obvious social problem -- Welfare is not a solution.

With the sort of economy that most advanced nations enjoy, full employment is not possible. Ask an economist. Thus we have to find some way to deal with the unemployed. Telling them to go get a job is no solution as that will largely translate into them putting someone else out of work.

Experience suggests that it is simply not possible to keep everyone in work on a living wage. That's just a fact.

Your other suggestions are laudable for other reasons, but they do not address the basic problem of unemployment.

Welfare checks solve an obvious problem - they keep people who cannot find work with food and shelter.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Agathon


With the sort of economy that most advanced nations enjoy, full employment is not possible. Ask an economist. Thus we have to find some way to deal with the unemployed. Telling them to go get a job is no solution as that will largely translate into them putting someone else out of work.

Experience suggests that it is simply not possible to keep everyone in work on a living wage. That's just a fact.

That's what employment insurance is for, Aggie dear.

If you are consistently unable to find steady work and end up in welfare, at that point something is seriously wrong...and the welfare system does nothing to solve the problem.

[Drachasor]

Originally posted by Asher
Welfare encourages people like che to stick with an obvious dead-end career choice instead of re-training into something the market actually demands.

Make student loans easily accessible and subsidize education -- especially for students with family or dependents -- and let them become a valuable person in the market.

Welfare cheques solve nothing.

As usual the political left are completely out to lunch on how to solve an obvious social problem -- Welfare is not a solution.

LOL, well, looks like you are stuck with an outdated idea of what Welfare is. Sure, the initial welfare system *did* have its problems, and almost no one advocates it now.

That doesn't mean, however, that certain people can't work and that certain people can't be retrained. They have to be handled somehow.

As for education, *yes* it does need to be paid for more by the government, but few Republicans advocate it. Bush's plan on education is largely flawed, for instance (such as No Child Left Behind), but he doesn't want to fix it. I would also add, that the "out of touch" Left has always advocate the Government helping people get educated.

Some other people have already poked some holes in your other assumptions about a modern Nation.

Do not that anyone that anything the left has ever advocated that you disagree with is something that everyone on the left advocates. Do not assume that everything you advocate the Left does not.

-Drachasor

[Asher]

It is time you stop assuming that anyone that anything the left has ever advocated that you disagree with is something that everyone on the left advocates.

That last line about the "left" was obviously just a parody of Agathon's ridiculous comment (or I thought it was obvious, anyway).

And I've no idea why you brought up Republicans. Do you think I'm Republican?

I merely think that handing money out to people consistently unemployed is not a solution. And it is not a solution.