Don't blame me I voted for Kerry or What can we democrats do to save the country!!

[Zulu Elephant]

Originally posted by Kidicious


I don't think it works. Maybe it's better to just lose and election and let the other guys screw up. People will want an alternative the next time around and if you have stuck to what you believe they will respect you.

Thats what the British Labour party (see left) did through the 80s. The country got screwed in so many ways for 18 years - all because the Labour Party refused to change and reach out to the electorate. Before each general election Labour supporters told themselves "surely this time the public are sick enough of the Conservatives to vote for us" - if you can't gather support and broaden your appeal, it doesnt matter how much the electorate hates the other guys, they'll choose the devil they know.

[Harry Tuttle]

Hey guys, did you ever stop to think that extremism and this wide-eyed crap doesn't get voters?

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Kidicious


If they go over there to kill they deserve to die. I hate what America stands for and I hate most Americans. They are my enemy.

With support like this, I can't imagine the Democrats needing any enemies.

[Japher]

Kids lives in Fresno, that sort of attitude is expected.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Harry Tuttle
Hey guys, did you ever stop to think that extremism and this wide-eyed crap doesn't get voters?

Imran, Ted Striker, and me: extremist Democrats.

I mean, umm....

[Harry Tuttle]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker


Imran, Ted Striker, and me: extremist Democrats.

I mean, umm....

Not you, I mean the Greek tragedy that is constantly being rehashed every day. The Democratic grass roots movement is about as crazy as all get out. I mean, I took a look at the Democratic Underground today and I laughed my ass off.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Japher
Kids lives in Fresno, that sort of attitude is expected.

What do you figure? If the younger Kerry had not given that Kublai Khan speech, would he be President elect right now?

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Ming
Nominate a real candidate... one that has a chance to actually win

That means a southern Centrist who knows how to balance the budget, won't spend to much time talking about gays (married or otherwise), who has a good military record but who never was an antiwar protester. It would help if he's voted for defense bills or even better was the governor of a southern state which expanded it's national guard.

There simply must be a man like this out there some where.

[Kuciwalker]

MtG for Prez!

[Dis]

Originally posted by Oerdin


That means a southern Centrist who knows how to balance the budget, won't spend to much time talking about gays (married or otherwise), who has a good military record but who never was an antiwar protester. It would help if he's voted for defense bills or even better was the governor of a southern state which expanded it's national guard.

There simply must be a man like this out there some where.

probably not

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
MtG for Prez!

Naw, he married a Mexian lady and moved out of the country. The white trash vote won't like that.

[dojoboy]

I really don't see how the Democrats can rest away the presidency without a candidate who can transcend the cultural divide. If it wasn't for Ross Perot, there never would've been a President Clinton. And if Clinton couldn't have won for the Democrats "mano a mano," then who could've?

Maybe the Dems should invest in the Libertarian Party as well, at least in working to loosen up the rules for third-parties.

Maybe the Dems should tell the left to "shut the hell up" during campaign season and not try and marry off every nancy-boy while shoving it in the face of the right.

Maybe the Dems should support a fair and equitable Title IX where non-revenue male sports are no longer allowed to be disposed of by universities to meet the ridiculous demands.

Maybe the Dems should not feed into the left's blazen hatred for the right. It's obvious they can't win them an election. How about a blanket "don't ask, don't tell" policy in all aspects of life? It seems to me, the right is far more accepting of the left than people are willing to recognize and accept.

Ad nauseum....

[DaShi]

The Democrats need to work on simply running a better campaign. Kerry was fairly uncharismatic and left a lot of his own supporters feeling uncertain. Yet, he still came pretty close to beating Bush despite running against one of the strongest Republican campaigns since Reagan.

Ask yourself, what was the central theme of the Democratic campaign? If you can't think of one, you're right. There really was none. They seemed to be betting on the "anyone but Bush" ticket and overlooking the weaknesses of their own candidate. A lot of nonAmericans have asked me, "Why doesn't Kerry attack Bush on the Iraq War, especially the lies about WMDs?" "Why so little mention of his role in 9/11?" I couldn't disagree with this. I thought that maybe Kerry was afraid of offending conservatives who supported the war and believed in its link to terrorism. But that's ridiculous; those people would vote for Bush anyway. Kerry should have been stronger and firmer in attacking Bush, there is a lot of material to use. Bush certainly did it to him. Basically, we got a passionless man running a passionless campaign against the very opposite.

In 2008, the Democrats need to be ready to have an actual campaign.

[OzzyKP]

Everyone talks doom and gloom, but the truth is Democrats lost two very close elections. And the Republicans only have narrow leads in the House and Senate, so its not all over. You just got beat. Quit being pussies and start preparing for next time.

[The Mad Monk]

Originally posted by Oerdin


That means a southern Centrist who knows how to balance the budget, won't spend to much time talking about gays (married or otherwise), who has a good military record but who never was an antiwar protester. It would help if he's voted for defense bills or even better was the governor of a southern state which expanded it's national guard.

There simply must be a man like this out there some where.

A couple comes to mind:

John McCain (southern, not a governor)

Jeb Bush (no military service)