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  • Originally posted by Gatekeeper
    I didn't vote for Bush. I'm a bad Republican. I'm also a rare, dying breed of Republican — a social moderate and fiscal conservative. I despise what the Republican Party has become — socially reactionary and fiscally irresponsible to the nth degree.

    That said, I also despise some of the crap I hear coming out Europe and other parts of the world. Hey, folks, I did my part and voted for the men and women who I thought would be the best for my nation. Some won, but most lost. That's goddamn life. Don't use it as an excuse to condemn every "Red State" American or every Republican because a good number of Democrats crossed the party line as well, and voted for Bush or some other reactionary-type Republican.

    Insofar as I'm concerned, America isn't the only nation growing more reactionary. The nations of Europe and Latin America are following the same path, albeit with a different label. The Middle East? Hell, they've been reactionary ever since Genghis Khan ruined their golden age. And if nations growing more reactive isn't enough, then you've got a fair number of amoral trans-national corporations edging onto the playing field and doing their bit of schtick for a buck, a euro, a pound, a yen and so on, regardless of the long-term cost to humanity or the world upon which we live.

    In other words, folks, the reactionaries are taking over the planet, not just America. Some of us just can't face that reality yet. The moderates like me? We're history. We're a dying breed. This world is no longer our world. Enjoy it, reactionaries. You earned it. I'm just hoping enough moderates survive the insanity to eventually rebuild what's left after the reactionaries are done bringing down everything that was good.

    Heh. Yeah, I'm just a bit jaded about humanity right now. Just a teensy, tiny bit. It doesn't show, does it?

    Gatekeeper

    tho im a little bit more opomistic about humanity, for the time being anyway. people have been preaching doom and gloom for decades now. doesnt mean it cant happen tomorrow, im just not so sure it will
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    • Whoops. Slight posting error.
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      • Originally posted by Berzerker
        How many of those people know major European powers were taking bribes from Saddam to subvert the sanctions?
        All evidence indicates that the Oil for Food scam wasn't producing a major effect in Iraq. He spent a lot of it on keeping his palaces in working order and some on his military (which was dilapidating). It wasn't helping him with any WMDs or anything like that, however.

        Additionally, there is no evidence there was any major corruption in the overall governments, largely it was the work of companies with some government officials involved.

        -Drachasor
        "If there's a child on the south side of Chicago who can't read, that matters to me, even if it's not my child. If there's a senior citizen somewhere who can't pay for her prescription and has to choose between medicine and the rent, that makes my life poorer, even if it's not my grandmother. If there's an Arab American family being rounded up without benefit of an attorney or due process, that threatens my civil liberties. It's that fundamental belief -- I am my brother's keeper, I am my sister's keeper -- that makes this country work." - Barack Obama

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        • Originally posted by Sir Ralph
          Bull. If it wasn't for us, nearly everyone of you would be speaking Latin today.
          you bastards
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          • Originally posted by MalevolentLight
            Anyone who apologizes to the likes of France aren't Americans. Anyone who sits on here and whines and apologizes for America like Drachosor does, isn't American. We didn't just give the the middle finger to the world, we gave the middle finger to American hating apologists like Drachosor who feel they are somehow enlightened over the rest of America. So let me reiterate what the election results have very loudly stated: **** you Drachosor and your left wing American hating apologists, and **** you France and Germany and China for trying to influence our elections in your own self interest in your attempt to bring the US down to your level.
            France
            USA

            EDIT: And of course, Ted Striker
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            • Originally posted by MalevolentLight
              Anyone who apologizes to the likes of France aren't Americans. Anyone who sits on here and whines and apologizes for America like Drachosor does, isn't American. We didn't just give the the middle finger to the world, we gave the middle finger to American hating apologists like Drachosor who feel they are somehow enlightened over the rest of America. So let me reiterate what the election results have very loudly stated: **** you Drachosor and your left wing American hating apologists, and **** you France and Germany and China for trying to influence our elections in your own self interest in your attempt to bring the US down to your level.
              Right....

              Well, for one, I never aplogized for all of Fance's actions, but I don't think they should be unfairly blamed for things.

              Oh, and I forgot that voicing desent is now unpatriotic in America. I thought that attitude was that of the fascist, but I guess anti-free speech positions are what true patriots advocate.

              Keep me informed on when it is time to salute the Fuhrer.

              Oh, and when did we get rid of the Bill of Rights again?

              -Drachasor
              "If there's a child on the south side of Chicago who can't read, that matters to me, even if it's not my child. If there's a senior citizen somewhere who can't pay for her prescription and has to choose between medicine and the rent, that makes my life poorer, even if it's not my grandmother. If there's an Arab American family being rounded up without benefit of an attorney or due process, that threatens my civil liberties. It's that fundamental belief -- I am my brother's keeper, I am my sister's keeper -- that makes this country work." - Barack Obama

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              • Originally posted by Whoha
                Drachasor you are killing me here, you really think other nations won't want to run a massive trade surplus with the US?
                In the long run, it isn't in their best interest, because of the long term effects of such things.

                It isn't like they can necessarily do much about it though, if Americans keep buying foreign goods. Unless you just want them to stop trading -- which would be more harmful.

                -Drachasor
                "If there's a child on the south side of Chicago who can't read, that matters to me, even if it's not my child. If there's a senior citizen somewhere who can't pay for her prescription and has to choose between medicine and the rent, that makes my life poorer, even if it's not my grandmother. If there's an Arab American family being rounded up without benefit of an attorney or due process, that threatens my civil liberties. It's that fundamental belief -- I am my brother's keeper, I am my sister's keeper -- that makes this country work." - Barack Obama

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                • I didn't vote for Bush. I'm a bad Republican. I'm also a rare, dying breed of Republican — a social moderate and fiscal conservative. I despise what the Republican Party has become — socially reactionary and fiscally irresponsible to the nth degree.


                  Although I really haven't considered myself a Republican for a while, because as soon as I realized the Religious Right had become the BASE of the party, instead of a bunch of votes to be pandered to, it wasn't my party anymore.

                  In other words, folks, the reactionaries are taking over the planet, not just America. Some of us just can't face that reality yet. The moderates like me? We're history. We're a dying breed. This world is no longer our world. Enjoy it, reactionaries. You earned it. I'm just hoping enough moderates survive the insanity to eventually rebuild what's left after the reactionaries are done bringing down everything that was good.
                  That pretty much sums up my current state of mind, yeah.

                  -Arrian
                  grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

                  The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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                  • Forgive me if im repeating old posts (I skipped 2-5) ..

                    I think from reading the many comments on different news sites like the BBC, President Bush is demonised (in my opinion wrongly) by many people.

                    I have plenty of democrat friends who are unhappy with the result, and they don't seem to have the same hysterical attitude I find in many other countries.

                    My friends in India supported Bush, and here in the UK it was Kerry ..

                    If there was one thing that both sides always agree on though, its that Bush has a big "perception" problem abroad .. does he care ? do americans care ?? they always say they don't .. but im not so sure ..
                    "Wherever wood floats, you will find the British" . Napoleon

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                    • Originally posted by WotanAnubis

                      Yeah, but if I did that, I'd have to adore Canada for jumping to the aid of the allies before they were even attacked by the Germans.
                      For some reason, however, you never hear Canadians cracking that tired old "if it wasn't for us" line. Maybe because they're not suffering from an inferiority complex or the obsessive need to have everyone like them.

                      But if it makes you feel any better, I would hereby like to declare my official hatred for:
                      Spain (Relentlessly persecuting Protestants between roughly 1566 and 1795)
                      England (6 wars over who had the best navy between 1652-1803)
                      Portugal (Biggest economic competitor in the East Indies trade market)
                      France (numerous wars, including ones from 1672, 1685, 1747, 1795 and, of course, Napoleon)
                      Belgium (invaded in 1304, seperated from us in 1830)
                      Italy (Roman invasion up until the Rhine river)
                      Scandinavia (All you Northmen looting our shores)
                      Germany (1940-1945 wasn't the first indiscretion, you bastards!)

                      There. I hereby hate all those countries so that I can use the exact same reasoning to like America.

                      ...

                      You know, I just don't have that much burning hatred to spread around. I guess I'll just have to judge America on what it's doing today.
                      Its interesting (and typical) that you left off the first part of my statement. Perhaps if you read it again (a few times) you'll understand it (in context this time).

                      Based upon your statement of canadians jumping to the aid of the allies, you also seem to have no knowledges or understanding of Canadian history. As for canadians who have made statements similar to the one I made that you took out of context, I know a number of canadian WWII vets, including my step-father, who mentioned many times how the canadians saved the brits.
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                      • The problem with America is not that Bush is a moron, it's that Kerry and Gore are not much better. Kerry would have been an awful choice, but at least he would have been a change from the awful politics of the last four years.

                        Who's That Obama you talk about. How will Obama beat Osama?
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                        • The problem with America is all the damn rednecks and Christians. America sucks ass!
                          I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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                          • Originally posted by Arrian




                            Although I really haven't considered myself a Republican for a while, because as soon as I realized the Religious Right had become the BASE of the party, instead of a bunch of votes to be pandered to, it wasn't my party anymore.


                            That pretty much sums up my current state of mind, yeah.

                            -Arrian
                            Both sides have their extremists. I support whomever comes closest to my own beliefs.
                            We need seperate human-only games for MP/PBEM that dont include the over-simplifications required to have a good AI
                            If any man be thirsty, let him come unto me and drink. Vampire 7:37
                            Just one old soldiers opinion. E Tenebris Lux. Pax quaeritur bello.

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                            • The Republicans are dominated by the extremists. At least they appear extremist to me.

                              I have for years considered myself a moderate, in terms of the US political spectrum. It has recently dawned on me that that spectrum has shifted far enough right that I'm not really a "moderate" anymore. I'm now a hated liberal. The liberals are now commies. The commies... well, they're still nuts, but you get the point.

                              -Arrian
                              grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

                              The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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                              • The problem is you Euro's are such damn Socialists.

                                You are so stuck up ; Anything you view as different in the realm of politics must be stupid. Must be backwards.


                                Your mindset is dangerous.

                                And calling americans stupid?

                                Hello pot, meet kettle.

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