The European Parliament: now with balls!

[laurentius]

Originally posted by BeBro


If everything should be equal then my previous point of equal money from all members still stands. I don't see you complaining about inequality because bigger countries pay more into the EU.

Dont bother. He doesnt get the point.

[Pekka]

laurentiues, it's so trivial I won't even bother to argue about this anymore. YOu're a true believer and have a lot of faith. It's like scientists fighting evangelist on the existance of God, but this is more closer to science than faith.

BeBro, oh yes I have complained about it, because the big ones aren't paying there full membership yet. They get discounts. We don't, and we end up paying the remainings. Jeesh, you guys have the worst defenses, your 1:1:1:1 ratios, sounds communist to me, but then again you are all lefties even IN Europe. I guess it explains some of it.

[laurentius]

Then I can only declare myself as the WINNER and get off to the Uni library reading some more about EU fiscal policy

[Pekka]

It's like a 100 meter sprinter against wheelchair man, and you're arguing if you should also have the right to knock him down on his side before the bang because 'he has 2 legs and 2 arms just like me, and a WHEELCHAIR TOO!' .....

nothing but arrogancy in this thread.

[Pekka]

laurentius, declare yourself a winner all you want. Doesn't change the fact that some countries are able to muscle around while others watch. This is unequality. This is something you all are unwilling to solve or even admit. In fact most of you justify it.

[BeBMan]

Originally posted by Pekka
BeBro, oh yes I have complained about it, because the big ones aren't paying there full membership yet. They get discounts. We don't, and we end up paying the remainings. Jeesh, you guys have the worst defenses, your 1:1:1:1 ratios, sounds communist to me, but then again you are all lefties even IN Europe. I guess it explains some of it.

Nice to see you ranting. I thought you really wanted to discuss it, my bad.

[Pekka]

I'm not going to discuss about your 1:1:1 ratio logics, because it's not even close to correct, this is real world, so we should debate about real world and not the laalaaland with perfect things.

Unless you want to talk about how to solve the problem of some countries being unequal comparing to others, then we have nothing to talk.

[BeBMan]

Oh great, "Agree with me, or I'm not talking to you (or call you commies, or living in lalaland etc.)!" - is that your idea of discussing things? Of course then you're right, then there is really nothing we could talk about in a civilized manner.

[DAVOUT]

Originally posted by Oerdin


At the end of the day he lost his job

It is not a job, it is a function that he his supposed to held for the best of Europe, not for enforcing his own ideas, opinions, ideology or whatever personnal beliefs he could have. A EU Commissaire is a civil servant, not a private consultant.

[Pekka]

BeBro, that's right, you refuse to see that some countries are unequal. You don't think it is so. So there's nothing to talk, your premise is false.

[BeBMan]

Originally posted by Pekka
BeBro, that's right, you refuse to see that some countries are unequal. You don't think it is so.

Sure countries are unequal. Where did I deny that?

[Pekka]

Ok, good. I'm open for discussion how to solve that problem. It's a big problem. We should solve that before going any further into implenenting other plans for the future, as theose will be directly affected by this. We should solve this, and THEN we should go on about with the future and grand plans.

[BeBMan]

Well, here the problems begin - the question is what do you mean by "solving" this. Do you mean that in the EU equality means that small countries should have the same benefits as big countries, but when it comes to duties big countries should pay much more than small members?

BTW, that is actually pretty much the current situation. Countries like Ireland or Portugal gained from the EU much more than they gave. And heck, I don't have even a problem with that. I'm just fed up with the endless "oh evil Germany and France rule the EU and exploit poor, defenseless other members" legends.

[Pekka]

Did France and Germany get out of paying penalty?
Do you honestly think a small country would have gotten away with it?

Case closed.

That's what we need to solve. We need to solve the Anglo-Saxon arrogancy.

[BeBMan]

Originally posted by Pekka
That's what we need to solve. We need to solve the Anglo-Saxon arrogancy.

Freudian slip?