"Why I voted for Bush"

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by DanS
What state are you in dojo?

denial

[SpencerH]

Voting

Voting for Bush

Voting against that weasel Kerry



A bumper sticker I saw yesterday:

Why choose the lesser of two evils?

Vote CTHULHU

[Whaleboy]

Nationalists all love their country to a greater or lesser degree and they want their country to do well, but, nationalism is considered an immature political philosophy because it does not develop further then that. Unlike say socialism, communism, or fascism there is not an over riding plan for how society should be ordered.

But nationalism is not a political philosophy. For the purposes of this debate it is interchangeable with patriotism though there are some cosmetic differences. Fascism is what happens when nationalism enters politics, and as you have correctly stated it leans towards socialism. Hence, nationalism when applied leads to national socialism. Nazism.

You seem to take nationalism to be a political philosophy, it is not. It is rather like saying "fear" (an appropriate example) is a political philosophy, whereas fear, applied, is popularism or democracy. That of course takes advantage of nationalism too... hence in times of perceived crisis fascism rises quickly through democracy.

[Immortal Wombat]

Patriotism is a love of one's country.
Nationalism is a love of one's country to the detriment of other countries.

[Whaleboy]

IW... great distinction

It's rather like the difference between "dumb" and "stupid" (respectively).

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Whaleboy
Oerdin this reminds me of a thread you started over a year ago strawmanning me (my argument was similar to Mills in my sig).... went on for about 6 pages until I was able to come online, I posted and you never returned .

In your sig? Hmmm....


"Whaleboy, you're long due a couple spankings... come to your papa and lay across my knee... i'll make your behind sore and red... " -- Albert Speer, confused



BTW Where is the straw man? You can't just accuss someone of a straw man you have to actually point it out so that other people can agree or refute your argument.

[Arrian]

Wow, it took how many posts before we got to "USA = Nazis" ? Five?

****in' A.

-Arrian

[Whaleboy]

Wow, it took how many posts before we got to "USA = Nazis" ? Five?

Pretty good eh?

Hehe Oerdin still avoiding the topic then?

[MrFun]

oh -- another good title for this thread:


"Why I voted for a religious-right president"

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


denial

That's a river Bush Repugs are drowning in.

[Whaleboy]

BTW Where is the straw man? You can't just accuss someone of a straw man you have to actually point it out so that other people can agree or refute your argument.

You said something like "elijah says conversatives are stupid" whereas my argument was that stupid people tend to be conservative. Penguins and birds. While being conservative doesn't mean you have to be stupid, indeed there are very intelligent conservatives (I use the word in the traditional, nationalistic sense, not fiscal), if you're stupid you're probably conservative. You misrespresented my argument, and as a result when I arrived on the thread there was an argument going on between those who thought you had represented me truthfully and those that actually understood what I had said.

Strawmen

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Whaleboy
Pretty good eh?

Hehe Oerdin still avoiding the topic then?

I believe you are the one who accussed me of using a straw man but is unable to find even one example.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Whaleboy
You said something like "elijah says conversatives are stupid" whereas my argument was that stupid people tend to be conservative. Penguins and birds. While being conservative doesn't mean you have to be stupid, indeed there are very intelligent conservatives (I use the word in the traditional, nationalistic sense, not fiscal), if you're stupid you're probably conservative.

Ok please forgive me if I don't trust your recollection. I'd like a link so we can all see the truth.

[chequita guevara]

There's an quote that goes, "While it's not true that most conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative." I believe it was Mill who said it.

[Arrian]

That's in Whaleboy's sig, Che. Which is what he's been talking about for a while now.

When he can take a break from calling our country facist, I mean.

-Arrian