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  • Whaleboy. A few thoughts.

    Don't carry something you aren't prepared to use.

    The police will get upset if you have even pepper spray or CS gas. Carrying anything which can be classed as a weapon in the UK throws "self-defence" out of the window as an excuse. Should you be found with such an item you will almost certainly be prosecuted (maybe not someone who is female or elderly but someone of your age and build will end up in court).

    Your choice is basically to carry something, use it, walk away and hope nobody recognises you later or not to fight and rely on the police. However the likelihood that, even if caught, the scum will only get a joke sentence of a couple of months inside, rather than 50 strokes of the birch doesn't really give much confidence in the judicial system.

    I own and practice with a set of ninja swords and have tried various martial arts weapons over the years, nunchakus, tonfa, batons and various knives. Swords, even a shortsword are far from easy to conceal and use without a lot of practice. Same goes for most baton type weapons which have the same problem of sheer bulk. Large knives are out for that reason too.

    If you can find one (they used to be sold) one of those telescopic batons might work. There are various companies who sell knives and other items mail order in the UK.

    If you feel you must carry something then you will have to practice with it regularly and be prepared to use it. Also, if you are set on fighting back Queensberry rules don't apply. Punching in the face isn't adequate. Breaking an arm or a knee will give the thug something to think about rather than attacking you.

    Your choice. Stay safe and I hope you never have to face such a situation again.
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    • I'm for the right to own suitcase nukes. MAD on an individual level, what can be better. Those burglars will now think twice befor they enter your home
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      • Originally posted by Whaleboy
        Hmmm I'll think about reporting it to the police. Another reason I didn't want to post was in deference to my family... they don't need the fuss at the moment
        **** 'em. Report it. They'd tell you likewise.
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        • Originally posted by Whaleboy
          Yeh I made a thread but I think it's poor taste to keep going on about it.
          I've heard about this "good taste" concept, but I can't see it catching on.
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          • Look- I've been on the receiving end of a few kickings, and I know what it's like. It's embarrassing, shameful and depressing. Yes- you just want to get the experience behind you, but as you're well aware there's more to it than that. So save the impotent revenge fantasies and do something that's both constructive and right.
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            • The police will get upset if you have even pepper spray or CS gas. Carrying anything which can be classed as a weapon in the UK throws "self-defence" out of the window as an excuse. Should you be found with such an item you will almost certainly be prosecuted (maybe not someone who is female or elderly but someone of your age and build will end up in court).


              WTF? Carrying pepper spray to defend yourself throws self-defense out the window in the UK? That's utterly absurd!
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              • Knee-jerk emotion never made for reasoned decisions, however right to be aggrieved you might be.
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                • At a lock-in with internet access. what more could I want from life

                  Hope you are feeling cool man, Lauren sends her best.
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                  • Hey all, I'm doing better today... nose is still a bit sore obviously, eye's ok, ribs are better and I have an excuse not to work on my abs for a day or two . Scotty, thanks dude my best wishes to Lauren and yourself .

                    WTF? Carrying pepper spray to defend yourself throws self-defense out the window in the UK? That's utterly absurd!
                    Yeh that is completely messed up. I have decided that this town is just too dangerous. I've been talking to an old friend from college and things have been taking a slide in his area too, so really it is quite stupid for someone to go out in Northampton these days without some kind of protection... makes you realise how intimidating this town is.

                    If you feel you must carry something then you will have to practice with it regularly and be prepared to use it. Also, if you are set on fighting back Queensberry rules don't apply. Punching in the face isn't adequate. Breaking an arm or a knee will give the thug something to think about rather than attacking you.
                    Very true. It seems that the best kind of weapon that would double up as a useful item so you can still claim defense in court would be something like a screwdriver or a pen of some description... but the very idea of a defensive weapon is more of a deterrent. Larger items that better fit that role are out of the question and if given the choice between using a small knife or my hands, I'd stick with my hands (more control, and knives are very easy to defend against).

                    Seems my best best is to learn to throw better punches, take up Aikedo again and when I fix my knee (very old injury) possibly take up a more offensive martial art.... it seems with the law as it is, carrying the kind of weapons that would work for defense just wouldn't work. I must admit, CS and Pepper spray are tempting, but the stupid stupid law... That said, the objective is to get away uninjured, these thugs are hardly likely to bring charges against someone they attacked.
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                    • Re: I have changed my position on gun control

                      Originally posted by Whaleboy
                      I figure it makes sense that people are nicer to each other when they have the ability to kill each other at the touch of a button.
                      Sure? The violent crime rate in the US does not bear this out.
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                      • An Armed Society is a Polite Society.
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                        • Sure? The violent crime rate in the US does not bear this out.
                          That's only criminals and gang warefare etc... I can't imagine the same kind of petty street thuggery exists in the USA as it does in the UK. With regards to gangs... far better they kill each other off than innocent police officers risking their lives.

                          An Armed Society is a Polite Society.
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                          • Originally posted by DinoDoc
                            You've taken your first steps into the light. It's a gradual process but well have your cured of this festering liberalism yet.
                            Woo hoo, DD gives a ****.
                            (\__/) 07/07/1937 - Never forget
                            (='.'=) "Claims demand evidence; extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence." -- Carl Sagan
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                            • Originally posted by Whaleboy
                              That's only criminals and gang warefare etc... I can't imagine the same kind of petty street thuggery exists in the USA as it does in the UK. With regards to gangs... far better they kill each other off than innocent police officers risking their lives.
                              Gang warfare certainly explains part of the situation, but not all of it.

                              Crooks who are willing to use guns don't care who is on the receiving end.
                              (\__/) 07/07/1937 - Never forget
                              (='.'=) "Claims demand evidence; extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence." -- Carl Sagan
                              (")_(") "Starting the fire from within."

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                              • How come the British guys on the forums are always getting jumped by townies?

                                Has it always been this way? Or has recenlty things turned this way?
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