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  • #151
    Originally posted by DanS
    Err... Having a state religion means religion in part is compulsory. Even if you don't believe in the religion, a citizen's (or subject's) taxes and state structure go to subsidize it. The state is the ultimate religious authority, even where the state religion has been disestablished.
    and Bush's faith-based programs are a step in that direction... state subsidizing religion... bad...
    To us, it is the BEAST.

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    • #152
      DanS, Right, and in here you're not obligated to belong to any church, or pay the tax. The church tax is separate, and you pay it if you want to, or you don't pay it. It's that simple, it is voluntary.
      In da butt.
      "Do not worry if others do not understand you. Instead worry if you do not understand others." - Confucius
      THE UNDEFEATED SUPERCITIZEN w:4 t:2 l:1 (DON'T ASK!)
      "God is dead" - Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" - God.

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      • #153
        Even if you don't believe in the religion, a citizen's (or subject's) taxes and state structure go to subsidize it.

        ...something that really p*sses me off that.
        Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing?
        Then why call him God? - Epicurus

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        • #154
          DanS, Right, and in here you're not obligated to belong to any church, or pay the tax. The church tax is separate, and you pay it if you want to, or you don't pay it. It's that simple, it is voluntary.
          Having the state religion as Lutheran is in itself involuntary to a citizen. The state would fight tooth and nail if the Roman Catholic Church were to ask that the state religion be rescinded. If the RCC were to try to gain religious influence, the state would fight against it.
          I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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          • #155
            Yes, but you made it sound earlier as if we we're run by religion, or having any affect from the church to the politics all together. It's just not true in the single least bit. Not even in the carry bit.

            Furthermore, the practice and theory is not always the same. Church has 0 powers in politics in here, and religious groups, where as many countries pride from having all laws and papers that church and state are separate, yet their politics is influenced WAY more by even religious groups.
            In da butt.
            "Do not worry if others do not understand you. Instead worry if you do not understand others." - Confucius
            THE UNDEFEATED SUPERCITIZEN w:4 t:2 l:1 (DON'T ASK!)
            "God is dead" - Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" - God.

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            • #156
              Yes, but you made it sound earlier as if we we're run by religion, or having any affect from the church to the politics all together. It's just not true in the single least bit. Not even in the carry bit.
              No, you've got it the wrong way 'round. The state is the ultimate religious authority in Finland. Same as the UK. There is no separation of church and state.
              I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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              • #157
                DanS, yes maybe I just took it wrong way.. I sometimes understand things differently.
                In da butt.
                "Do not worry if others do not understand you. Instead worry if you do not understand others." - Confucius
                THE UNDEFEATED SUPERCITIZEN w:4 t:2 l:1 (DON'T ASK!)
                "God is dead" - Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" - God.

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                • #158
                  To be clear, most Americans would freak out with your system. A good portion of our ancestors left Europe because of it. It's not just a theoretical difference, you see.
                  I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                  • #159
                    Yeah, and ironically now despite state religions or whatever the church and religious extremists have much more influence on your politics than ours.
                    Jon Miller: MikeH speaks the truth
                    Jon Miller: MikeH is a shockingly revolting dolt and a masturbatory urine-reeking sideshow freak whose word is as valuable as an aging cow paddy.
                    We've got both kinds

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                    • #160
                      they pilgrams and all.. you should be happy we persecuted them a lot.. without our determination to topple those people, to harrash them at every corner possible and to make them uncomfortable and not free, you got America! The superpower.. you know, maybe you should let Europe be racist to what ever it feels like, seems like good things are coming out of it (exclude WWII).
                      In da butt.
                      "Do not worry if others do not understand you. Instead worry if you do not understand others." - Confucius
                      THE UNDEFEATED SUPERCITIZEN w:4 t:2 l:1 (DON'T ASK!)
                      "God is dead" - Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" - God.

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                      • #161
                        Europe's less racist than the US.
                        Jon Miller: MikeH speaks the truth
                        Jon Miller: MikeH is a shockingly revolting dolt and a masturbatory urine-reeking sideshow freak whose word is as valuable as an aging cow paddy.
                        We've got both kinds

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                        • #162
                          MikeH: A good friend of mine is an immigrant from Sudan who moved to the UK when he was little. He thinks quite the opposite. Personally, I don't have much basis for comparison.
                          I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                          • #163
                            The last time I checked passing laws openly targeting our minorities went out of fashion more than a few decades ago. The same can not be said for Europe.
                            I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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                            • #164
                              DanS, And the pastor who was in the US in the job my mom got afterwards was smoked out, because he was black.. incidentally he now works in finland Now that is weird!

                              I guess it's fair to say both places has their own share of racism.
                              In da butt.
                              "Do not worry if others do not understand you. Instead worry if you do not understand others." - Confucius
                              THE UNDEFEATED SUPERCITIZEN w:4 t:2 l:1 (DON'T ASK!)
                              "God is dead" - Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" - God.

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                              • #165
                                DD; ohh an expert on European Law. OK start by explaining what is European Law?
                                In da butt.
                                "Do not worry if others do not understand you. Instead worry if you do not understand others." - Confucius
                                THE UNDEFEATED SUPERCITIZEN w:4 t:2 l:1 (DON'T ASK!)
                                "God is dead" - Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" - God.

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