Bush is getting desperate in his campaign.

[Q Classic]

I think Jack Kennedy was a good president. So does Zell Miller. If these gentlemen were liberals, then so am I.

But, what then do you call the likes of Jimmy Carter, Walter Mondale, George McGovern and John F. Kerry? They have nothing in common with Kennedy.

dude, lighten up...

it was a spot of humor...

[Harovan]

Originally posted by Drachasor
So you think someone that managed to alienate all US allies after a unifying event like 9/11 has somehow just upset applecarts?

You think someone that can admit when America has made a mistake, that can admit when we need help, that can admit that the current Administration doesn't appoint the best people is somehow a walking international disaster even when the rest of the world sees nearly all of those items as blatantly obvious?

-Drachasor

Don't worry, Drachasor. As soon as this nutjob and his cronies are gone, your allies will be back, and I suppose more helpful wrt Iraq. We love you too dearly to let you hang.

[Ned]

Originally posted by Drachasor


Anyone want to try to defend Bush on any of these items besides Iraq (which we are already going over)?

-Drachasor

Well, Drach, I would just like to point out that Bush is no socialist. I suspect from you post that you think that Kerry is.

[Q Classic]

Well, Drach, I would just like to point out that Bush is no socialist. I suspect from you post that you think that Kerry is.

understanding the problems of the working class != socialist.

most socialists don't understand the problems of the working class, they just think they do and won't shut up about it.

[MikeH]

Bush is no socialist

No sh1t.

[Ned]

Originally posted by Sir Ralph


Don't worry, Drachasor. As soon as this nutjob and his cronies are gone, your allies will be back, and I suppose more helpful wrt Iraq. We love you too dearly to let you hang.

Why of course, I just had to add that the people of Iraq send Germany its best wishes and thanks for all the support it has given them, particularly at the UN prior to the decision to liberate Iraq was taken by Bush and Blair. They will hold Germany forever in highest regards for steadfastly opposing Bush at every step and calling the man who gave them liberty "personna non grata." Iraqis know who their friends are and who they can really trust.

[Ned]

Originally posted by Q Cubed

Well, Drach, I would just like to point out that Bush is no socialist. I suspect from you post that you think that Kerry is.

understanding the problems of the working class != socialist.

most socialists don't understand the problems of the working class, they just think they do and won't shut up about it.

That's not all Drach said. He said that the workers had to be protected from the corportations, or something to that effect.

[Drachasor]

Originally posted by Ned
Well, Drach, I would just like to point out that Bush is no socialist. I suspect from you post that you think that Kerry is.

No, I am talking about a situation where 9 million more people are in the U.S. from immigration, and we've lost 1.6 million jobs in the private secotr, and made some jobs that traditionally pay less and give less benefits in the public sector.

Net job loss may be around half a million jobs, but we didn't have the growth needed for those 9 million more people.

Bush thinks everything is wonderful though. He doesn't realize that people need health care, but many companies are scaling it back or getting rid of it. Or maybe he just doesn't care.

Quite frankly, a healthier populace is a more productive populace, and by giving the working class benefits they can buy into and other benefits from working they will be given an effective tax break; stimulating the economy.

-Drachasor

[Arrian]

Yep, Ned sure has his finger on the pulse of Iraq!



-Arrian

[Drachasor]

Originally posted by Ned
That's not all Drach said. He said that the workers had to be protected from the corportations, or something to that effect.

Oh, about that. Well, I think that people do need some protection againt corporations.

Let's take healthcare. Companies make more money by not curing or preventing problems, but by treating them eternally. Hence there is little incentive to cure or prevent problems and they don't. People need protection against this, the medical system needs to improve.

Bush in many other ways puts the needs of a few businesses (such as with his changes to the Clean Air Act) over the needs of the vast amount of the population.

-Drachasor

[Harovan]

Originally posted by Ned
Why of course, I just had to add that the people of Iraq send Germany its best wishes and thanks for all the support it has given them, particularly at the UN prior to the decision to liberate Iraq was taken by Bush and Blair. They will hold Germany forever in highest regards for steadfastly opposing Bush at every step and calling the man who gave them liberty "personna non grata." Iraqis know who their friends are and who they can really trust.

Yea, Ned. The Iraqis surely love you and show it every day.

[Ned]

Originally posted by Drachasor


No, I am talking about a situation where 9 million more people are in the U.S. from immigration, and we've lost 1.6 million jobs in the private secotr, and made some jobs that traditionally pay less and give less benefits in the public sector.

Net job loss may be around half a million jobs, but we didn't have the growth needed for those 9 million more people.

Bush thinks everything is wonderful though. He doesn't realize that people need health care, but many companies are scaling it back or getting rid of it. Or maybe he just doesn't care.

Quite frankly, a healthier populace is a more productive populace, and by giving the working class benefits they can buy into and other benefits from working they will be given an effective tax break; stimulating the economy.

-Drachasor

Look, I agree that everyone needs health care. What do we do, though. Address the needs of those who don't have it, as Bush proposes, or generally take over the system for everyone as Kerry proposes?

Bait and switch. Do you get it?

Immigration? Are you talking about illegal immigration? Democrats can't seem to use that word and are very conflicted on the subject. They decry "immigration" because it undermines wages and jobs for Americans, but at the same time they promote illegal immigration by constantly calling for more welfare rights for the illegals and for amnesty.

[Japher]

Ned

Blind Sheep

[Drachasor]

Originally posted by Ned
Look, I agree that everyone needs health care. What do we do, though. Address the needs of those who don't have it, as Bush proposes, or generally take over the system for everyone as Kerry proposes?

Bait and switch. Do you get it?

Immigration? Are you talking about illegal immigration? Democrats can't seem to use that word and are very conflicted on the subject. They decry "immigration" because it undermines wages and jobs for Americans, but at the same time they promote illegal immigration by constantly calling for more welfare rights for the illegals and for amnesty.

Kerry is not proposing a government-run healthcare system. He is proposing that the government helps pool the resources and bargaining power of everyone together and provide some financial assistance in order to get healthcare. Companies would still run the actual healthcare system.

Bush doesn't have any real proposals to fix the problem. He only talks about trial lawyers, and they are a *relatively* minor issue; they don't increase insurance costs much, and they don't affect most doctors. Kerry also wants to solve the trial lawyer issue, however he wants to do it in a way that will still allow people to sue in just cases.

-Drachasor

[Ned]

Originally posted by Sir Ralph




Yea, Ned. The Iraqis surely love you and show it every day.

Did you hear Allawi? Or do you dismiss him as a Bush stooge as did Kerry.

Yeah, Sir Ralph, I suspect the German people react with glee at every beheading, at every mass slaughter of civilians by Zarqawi and most particularly, at every act of sabatoge of the oil pipelines, as this only goes to show just how bad the liberation of Iraq is to the people of Iraq.