Wal-Mart's profits threatened by Canadian Union

[Ned]

Originally posted by Oncle Boris
Freedom gained one way is freedom deprived the other. Social safety nets require taxation, so that money the employer is saving on salaries would be paid in taxes for wealth redistribution.

False assumption. With no minimum wage, employment would expand to include jobs below the minimum wage.

As to taxes: that depends solely on whether there are profits, not on the amount of money paid for individual jobs. It is not automatic that profits go up as wages go down, as what happens is that prices go down as well in order to meet the competion who also have lower wage rates.

[Ned]

Che, the question is why should their be a minimum wage if the basic needs of a family are taken care of by society? (The minimum wage was born decades before the Great Society and is an anachronism.)

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Ned
No doubt that this can be a problem. There is still Catholic Charities to fall back on.

You ever rely upon Catholic Charities? I have. Woo! They pay for ONE electric bill a year!!! Wow, that'll sure keep me from being homeless. Catholic charities doesn't even begin to cover the basic needs of the working poor (or the unemployed in my case).

Regardless, the "living wage" argument is bogus in a time when there are other means to keep families afloat who are below the poverty line.

BS! Besides, a person shouldn't have to rely on charity to make a living. They ought to be able to pay their own way by their own work. Anyway, I thought you Repugs were opposed to making people dependent on charity, or is it just government assistance you hate?

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Ned
Che, the question is why should their be a minimum wage if the basic needs of a family are taken care of by society?

Why should people be forced to live off of charity while they work?

[DinoDoc]

Why should I be forced to pay you money because you aren't able to hold down a job che?

[chequita guevara]

So I don't rob you at gunpoint.

It's in society's interests not to have worker's lives totally disrupted while looking for new work. Society is more productive in the long run.

[DinoDoc]

You don't know where I live.

[chequita guevara]

Me and you are generalizations. Unemployment insurance helps keep crime levels lower.

[Ned]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara

Originally posted by Ned
No doubt that this can be a problem. There is still Catholic Charities to fall back on.

You ever rely upon Catholic Charities? I have. Woo! They pay for ONE electric bill a year!!! Wow, that'll sure keep me from being homeless. Catholic charities doesn't even begin to cover the basic needs of the working poor (or the unemployed in my case).

Regardless, the "living wage" argument is bogus in a time when there are other means to keep families afloat who are below the poverty line.

BS! Besides, a person shouldn't have to rely on charity to make a living. They ought to be able to pay their own way by their own work. Anyway, I thought you Repugs were opposed to making people dependent on charity, or is it just government assistance you hate?

The way to higher wages is through higher skills. This takes experience, training or education. What the minimum wage does is prevent people from getting jobs at wages below the minimum, which many may be willing to take for reasons of their own. For example, why should a babysitting job for a young teenager cost the mother and father $5.50 per hour? That teenager certainly is NOT supporting a family.

[DinoDoc]

Anyway what does this have to do with Wal-Mart since they already pay more than the minimum wage? Hell they even provide health insurance.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Ned
For example, why should a babysitting job for a young teenager cost the mother and father $5.50 per hour?

I thought you were a believer in the market. The reason is that they didn't care to try and find someone that would be willing to watch the kid for a cheaper price.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Ned
The way to higher wages is through higher skills. This takes experience, training or education.

So how do they get those skills when they are working full time and taking care of kids the rest of the time?

What the minimum wage does is prevent people from getting jobs at wages below the minimum, which many may be willing to take for reasons of their own.

Jobs below minimum wage shouldn't exist. If you can't afford to pay a person enough to maintain themselves, then you shouldn't be trying to hire someone. You should go to Sudan and buy a slave instead.

For example, why should a babysitting job for a young teenager cost the mother and father $5.50 per hour? That teenager certainly is NOT supporting a family.

Again, pointing to a tiny minority of workers to justify screwing the vast majority of people on min wage. Repugs. Open enemies of working people.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Anyway what does this have to do with Wal-Mart since they already pay more than the minimum wage? Hell they even provide health insurance.

I believe this is what's known as a "thread jack."

[Ned]

Che, still diverting attention. The needs of a family are independent from the needs of a worker and an employer in a particular circumstance. We should address each separately, IMO. Why should we mix the two?

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Ned
Che, still diverting attention.

Is that your new catch phrase when your inhumanity towards your fellow humans is pointed out?

The needs of a family are independent from the needs of a worker and an employer in a particular circumstance. We should address each separately, IMO. Why should we mix the two?

Because the two aren't seperate. The needs of a family are the needs of a worker, unless you believe people shouldn't take care of their children. As far as employers go, I don't care. I'm partisan for the working class, not the capitalist class.