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  • #31
    Poor Wal-Mart, it will have to pay for expensive lawyers to prove that their store wasn't shut down because of the union.
    I would rather have the workers have their jobs, union or not. I'm not for them closing down their stores because of unionization.

    Rather, if they're able to play as hardball as the union is able, then a virtuous MAD balance of power situation develops. This is good for everyone.
    I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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    • #32
      Unions are nothing but a mob mentality endorsed by the government.

      I don't care if people form them, I care if they force me to join and force me to pay union dues. My first real job as a union job. It's true my starting pay was higher than most of my friends' in similar jobs, but after the dues were deducted I was making less.

      And where did my dues go? To the stupid ****ing left-wing propaganda they mailed MONTHLY to me even though I asked them to stop.

      They'd also put out a biannual "newsletter", which was ALWAYS the same "we're going to strike unless they pay us more! In other news, dues are increasing..."

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      • #33
        Originally posted by DanS


        I would rather have the workers have their jobs, union or not. I'm not for them closing down their stores because of unionization.

        Rather, if they're able to play as hardball as the union is able, then a virtuous MAD balance of power situation develops. This is good for everyone.
        Well this union is weak and powerless. There's no MAD in this case.
        In Soviet Russia, Fake borises YOU.

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        • #34
          That doesn't impact your being hired. It just means that you automatically become part of the union.
          That is an infringement on the freedom of association of both employer and employee. If I don't want to join the union and I can't work as a result, the union is deciding if I can work, not me and the employer. So unions do exert some control over who gets hired...

          Scabbing should be outlawed. In any event, the unions can't stop employers from hiring scabs, except in civilized countries like Canada.
          So why do you argue unions don't control who can get hired?

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          • #35
            That's the union's fault.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Kuciwalker
              That's the union's fault.

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              There was never any MAD before the union, and there won't be any after. How can that be their fault?
              In Soviet Russia, Fake borises YOU.

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              • #37
                Unions are nothing but a mob mentality endorsed by the government.
                Democracy.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Berzerker
                  That is an infringement on the freedom of association of both employer and employee. If I don't want to join the union and I can't work as a result.
                  The employer agreed to it in a contract. If you don't want to join the union, then it's your choice not to take the job. They don't tell the employer not to hire you.

                  And you wonder why people think libertarianism would lead to an absolute tyrrany of the rich when you post anti-working class opinions like this.
                  Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Asher
                    I don't care if people form them, I care if they force me to join and force me to pay union dues. My first real job as a union job. It's true my starting pay was higher than most of my friends' in similar jobs, but after the dues were deducted I was making less.
                    You probably also had better benefits and better job security.
                    Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                    • #40
                      That is an infringement on the freedom of association of both employer and employee. If I don't want to join the union and I can't work as a result, the union is deciding if I can work, not me and the employer.


                      Eh? Union shop agreements are freely agreed upon between the employees and the management, not dictated by the state. How, exactly, are they an "infringement on the freedom of association?"
                      Last edited by Ramo; October 15, 2004, 01:50.
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                      • #41
                        Yeah, Berz, che is right about one thing: unions certainly are allowed under libertarianism. I have no problem wiht unions existing.

                        The conflict occurs when unions are given special legal privileges.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Shi Huangdi
                          Unions
                          Wal Mart
                          Ted Striker
                          We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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                          • #43
                            Unions are pretty much castrated in our legal system. Look up Taft-Hartley.
                            "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Kuciwalker
                              The conflict occurs when unions are given special legal privileges.
                              What about the legal privileges granted to enterprises?
                              In Soviet Russia, Fake borises YOU.

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                              • #45
                                Is it wrong for me to hate the people who come through my check out more than Wal-Mart?
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