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  • 2. People here in Poly have consistently underrated Kerry and overrated Bush, at least when compared to the general public- good example is the last debate-same beginning- "Oh, Bush WON, Kerry did poorly"- after a few days, more people said Kerry won than Bush. I think it will be the same today.
    I've been right on the 3 prior debates and I think Bush won tonight... We'll know if ~3 days who won tonight wrt the public...

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    • All he can do is complain about all the things Bush is doing.
      He's got alot to complain about

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      • All he can do is complain about all the things Bush is doing.
        A lot of us are doing that. As are a non-trivial number of the people of voted for Bush in 2000.
        ACOL owner/administrator

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        • Originally posted by Berzerker
          Awww, Bush prays...so do we George, so do we...

          Actually, Bush answered the faith question very well...
          Kerry didn't...
          Why? 'cause he told you what you wanted to hear???
          His answer is good because he didn't tell you, he became president because god told him so???
          Man...
          Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing?
          Then why call him God? - Epicurus

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          • Originally posted by Dissident


            Bush is the better of the two. Plain and simple. Kerry has no clue how to fix this country's problems. All he can do is complain about all the things Bush is doing.

            And voting for a third party candidate seems so much like a waste of a vote. But I suppose I'll still stick with third party. It's more of a protest vote. A dissident vote.
            "Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson

            “In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy Carter

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            • A Servey of uncomitted voters gave last nights debate to Kerry

              Kerry 39%
              Bush 25%
              Undecided 36%

              Plus even fox news's website isn't saying Bush won, with their leanings, i think they must perceive that he lost, otherwise they would be shouting it from the rooftops. if it had been a draw they would be saying he'd won to try and push perceptions in the right way
              Last edited by the_ceebs; October 14, 2004, 08:46.

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              • Here we go, finally the www.factcheck.org (endorsed by Cheney!) report on the BS in the debate:


                Some pretty outrageous lies there. But the one that's really sticking and getting out in the public eye is Bush's statement denying his previous statement about Bin Ladin not being much of a threat and not something that he thinks about much. That one's gunna sting.
                Stop Quoting Ben

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                • And in the ligth of the legs that the Bin Labin lie is getting in the mainstream news, it looks like I've gotta switch my decision to call this one for Bush and call it as yet another Kerry victory since that one sentance is going to result in the debate being a definate net loss for Bush.
                  Stop Quoting Ben

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                  • Eh, both of these guys suck so bad that nothing is going to matter. People are going to vote straight down bipartisan lines. Even the so called 'centrists' will vote for the party that they tend towards generally.
                    I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
                    - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

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                    • I think that Bush won this debate regardless of the polls based on his sounding intelligent and god fearing. In order for Kerry to really win he has to paint Bush as a Racist Rich Religous Zealot. He did not do that last night.
                      Last edited by Pax; October 14, 2004, 09:28.
                      What can make a nigga wanna fight a whole night club/Figure that he ought to maybe be a pimp simply 'cause he don't like love/What can make a nigga wanna achy, break all rules/In a book when it took a lot to get you hooked up to this volume/
                      What can make a nigga wanna loose all faith in/Anything that he can't feel through his chest wit sensation

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