Kerry is a good debater? I think not- the debate thread

[DanS]

Bush did well. Knocked a lot of questions out of the park. Kerry fumbled a lot of questions where I thought he should have done well.

[DanS]

Kerry did really poorly and Bush did very well on the religion questions, abortion questions, gay marriage, immigration question, social security, border security, education. Some of this stuff should have been like shooting fish in a barrell for Kerry.

[Dis]

that's just a problem with the democratic party in general. They just don't have any concrete answers for anything.

And they are stuck with this high taxes/raising taxes stigma. I don't know how they are going to get out of this mess. They are going to have to restructure their platform to be a viable party in the future.

[DanS]

Education? Democrats should own that issue. I would have thought Kerry could just repeat the stock talking points that the Dems have written up on the issue.

[Dis]

I think most americans are realizing that throwing money at education and hoping it improves is not always the answer.

Although the citizens in my state haven't realized this.

It looks like my state is going to pass a ammendment to increase our education spending to the national average- whatever that is.

[Imran Siddiqui]

CNN (or rather Larry King) just reported CNN Flash poll results:

Kerry 52%
Bush 39%

That shocks me, especially what people are saying here.

[Dis]

NBC had their panel of undecided voters the same as they had last debate. And most of them had made up their minds after this debate (except for one old guy)

It looked like a majority were voting for Bush. Only a couple for Kerry.

The old guy had a good point.

Bush flip/flopped on an issue. He said he won't import drugs from Canada because they aren't proven safe, yet said he would be willing to import the flu vaccine from Canada.

bush is owned by the drug companies. This should be no surprise.

[Bosh]

Originally posted by Dissident


NBC just aired the clip of the Bin Ladin thing

Bush said he didn't know where he was. And said he wasn't very concerned about it.

Yeah good stuff.

Bush did well. Knocked a lot of questions out of the park. Kerry fumbled a lot of questions where I thought he should have done well.'

Such as? Bush didn't do badly at all, but I don't think he really nailed any aside from the religion question.

Education? Democrats should own that issue. I would have thought Kerry could just repeat the stock talking points that the Dems have written up on the issue.

Yeah, I can't believe that Kerry didn't fight back harder on this issue.

[Dis]

ahhh well. I was set to vote against both Bush and Kerry. Now I'm not so sure. I'm starting to lean towards Bush again. Jeez. Talk about being a flip-flopper.

There are still a few things that really bother me about Bush. The Iraq war, the deficit, and his religious conservatism (stem cells issue mainly).

[Bosh]

Originally posted by Dissident
ahhh well. I was set to vote against both Bush and Kerry. Now I'm not so sure. I'm starting to lean towards Bush again. Jeez. Talk about being a flip-flopper.

There are still a few things that really bother me about Bush. The Iraq war, the deficit, and his religious conservatism (stem cells issue mainly).

So you're against the three most defining things of the Bush administration and you're thinking about voting for him

[Sprayber]

Originally posted by Pekka
Good luck America, what ever happens, you'll need it.

We have survived worse presidents and far worse times. If America doesn't survive the citizens have only themselves to blame...

[AnnC]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui:... CNN Flash poll results:

Kerry 52%
Bush 39%

That shocks me, especially what people are saying here.

I'm not surprised... I listened to the debate on the radio, so could concentrate on the content of the answers as opposed to visual stuff. And with the exception of the last question (about women in their families), the content of Kerry's answers was consistently better than Bush's.

On most questions, Bush dithered until he could think of a talking point to interject. Or perhaps he was marking time until the voice in his earpiece finished giving him the answer.

[GePap]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
CNN (or rather Larry King) just reported CNN Flash poll results:

Kerry 52%
Bush 39%

That shocks me, especially what people are saying here.

Why?
1. Look at the participants on the thread
2. People here in Poly have consistently underrated Kerry and overrated Bush, at least when compared to the general public- good example is the last debate-same beginning- "Oh, Bush WON, Kerry did poorly"- after a few days, more people said Kerry won than Bush. I think it will be the same today.

[Dis]

Originally posted by GePap


Why?
1. Look at the participants on the thread
2. People here in Poly have consistently underrated Kerry and overrated Bush, at least when compared to the general public- good example is the last debate-same beginning- "Oh, Bush WON, Kerry did poorly"- after a few days, more people said Kerry won than Bush. I think it will be the same today.

and you just watch when bush gets over 270 electoral votes come November (or worst case- December )

[Dis]

Originally posted by Boshko

So you're against the three most defining things of the Bush administration and you're thinking about voting for him

Bush is the better of the two. Plain and simple. Kerry has no clue how to fix this country's problems. All he can do is complain about all the things Bush is doing.

And voting for a third party candidate seems so much like a waste of a vote. But I suppose I'll still stick with third party. It's more of a protest vote. A dissident vote.