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Of course a creator is bound, ultimately, by the laws by which the universe (that is, the set of all that exists, as opposed to the particular contiguous region of spacetime that is being created) operates.Originally posted by Jon Miller
no, because a creator/supernatural event is not bound by physics
you can't say the same abotu physics because than you lose one of the basic assumptions of physics
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No it didn't. Just because you can't explain the origin of the universe yet does not mean there is evidence of a God. In the absense of evidence for a God, the person who relies strictly on intelligence would not believe.Originally posted by Jon Miller
Che, no, but it does make beleiving there is no deity to be unintelligent
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ok, you are trying to treat god as a part of the physical world
someone who beleives in the supernatural doesn't do that (so god no longer needs to follow that rule)
only science needs to follow that rule
if there is no possible exaplanation for something, than it is supernatural
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Atheist means you do not believe in a god.Originally posted by Jon Miller
agnostics admit they don't know, even now the only intelligent choice
I actually do thing that it is stupid to be an athiest (whlie it is not stupid to be a theist) if there is no explanation for the creation of the universe (and no exaplanation appears possible)
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Agnosticism means you admit one can't know for certain one way or another, but always implies a lack of theism. In other words, they don't believe in god, but they admit they might be wrong. Agnostics are atheists.
-Drachasor"If there's a child on the south side of Chicago who can't read, that matters to me, even if it's not my child. If there's a senior citizen somewhere who can't pay for her prescription and has to choose between medicine and the rent, that makes my life poorer, even if it's not my grandmother. If there's an Arab American family being rounded up without benefit of an attorney or due process, that threatens my civil liberties. It's that fundamental belief -- I am my brother's keeper, I am my sister's keeper -- that makes this country work." - Barack ObamaComment
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We also can't know that there aren't little undetectable elves dancing on the surfaces of electrons, and an infinite number of other things of which we have no evidence and no reason at all to postulate in the first place. That doesn't mean it's wrong to say "they don't exist", because it is absurd to propose them at all!Comment
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I'd say the idiots are the people who came up with a completely unwarranted concept in the first place.Comment
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There is no evidence a Supernatural World even exists.Originally posted by Jon Miller
ok, you are trying to treat god as a part of the physical world
someone who beleives in the supernatural doesn't do that (so god no longer needs to follow that rule)
only science needs to follow that rule
if there is no possible exaplanation for something, than it is supernatural
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Proposing fantasy to explain the origin of the universe, and then saying that fantasy doesn't work like anything else known to man, does not give a decent explanation.
-Drachasor"If there's a child on the south side of Chicago who can't read, that matters to me, even if it's not my child. If there's a senior citizen somewhere who can't pay for her prescription and has to choose between medicine and the rent, that makes my life poorer, even if it's not my grandmother. If there's an Arab American family being rounded up without benefit of an attorney or due process, that threatens my civil liberties. It's that fundamental belief -- I am my brother's keeper, I am my sister's keeper -- that makes this country work." - Barack ObamaComment
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this comes down to your wacky definition of universe thenOriginally posted by Kuciwalker
Of course a creator is bound, ultimately, by the laws by which the universe (that is, the set of all that exists, as opposed to the particular contiguous region of spacetime that is being created) operates.
I am not gonig to play your deffinition games
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if there is no possible explanation for something, htan defacto the only reasonable explanation for it is that it is supernatural in originOriginally posted by Kuciwalker
We also can't know that there aren't little undetectable elves dancing on the surfaces of electrons, and an infinite number of other things of which we have no evidence and no reason at all to postulate in the first place. That doesn't mean it's wrong to say "they don't exist", because it is absurd to propose them at all!
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(personally I do think there is a scientific reason for the universe, and think that it will work out from physics, in which case beleive in god is purely faith, but if there is no reasonable explanation from physics, than beleive in the supernatural is the only reasonable thing tod o)Jon Miller-
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there is stuff that we have no possible way to explain with scienceOriginally posted by Drachasor
There is no evidence a Supernatural World even exists.
Proposing fantasy to explain the origin of the universe, and then saying that fantasy doesn't work like anything else known to man, does not give a decent explanation.
-Drachasor
science explains the natural world
therefore, stuff that cannot be explained by science is the supernatural, or unnatural world
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Originally posted by Jon Miller
ok, you are trying to treat god as a part of the physical world
I have no capacity to know anything but the world of which I am a part. Neither I, nor any other person, has the ability to detect something which is posited to exist in a supernatural world.
if there is no possible exaplanation for something, than it is supernatural
Who said there was no possible explanation? Saying I don't know something yet is not saying that something is unknowable.Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...Comment
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I am well aware that most agnostics are really athiestsOriginally posted by Drachasor
Atheist means you do not believe in a god.
Agnosticism means you admit one can't know for certain one way or another, but always implies a lack of theism. In other words, they don't believe in god, but they admit they might be wrong. Agnostics are atheists.
-Drachasor
but there are some that are theists
and some who don't care
still is the most/only intelligent option
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Stuff that cannot be explained by science doesn't exist.Originally posted by Jon Miller
stuff that cannot be explained by science is the supernatural, or unnatural world
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your whole deffinition of detection relies upon scienceOriginally posted by chegitz guevara
Originally posted by Jon Miller
ok, you are trying to treat god as a part of the physical world
I have no capacity to know anything but the world of which I am a part. Neither I, nor any other person, has the ability to detect something which is posited to exist in a supernatural world.
if there is no possible exaplanation for something, than it is supernatural
Who said there was no possible explanation? Saying I don't know something yet is not saying that something is unknowable.
if it appears unknowable, than than it is supernatural (to you)
now as to if there is stuff, that is supernatural to everyone, I think that that is pretty obvious
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